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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #4365 on: April 26, 2024, 06:16:33 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:14:57 PM
The line was still not that good. Only one OL graded out as a starter by PFF, Tevin Jenkins. And we saw how disastrous he was against GB in the finale. And you also never ever seem to mention the offensive coordinator the Bears admitted wasn’t good enough.

The offensive coordinator that was immediately hired by another team while the Bears were still trying to get a 4th round pick for Fields, which they did not.

I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year.  I also don't think he was bad enough that a good QB wouldn't have looked good for the Bears last year.  But the QB they had didn't look very good.
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« Reply #4366 on: April 26, 2024, 06:18:55 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 06:14:40 PM
The entire narrative with that offense would be, "can Fields finally make the jump?"  Because there isn't an indication that he could.  If there was, someone would've wanted him to start for them and no one in the league did.

Remember, you were excited about the offense coming into last season with the Moore addition.  You expected a big jump out of Fields until it didn't happen, at which point you did a 180 and said "well who could've expected him to be better than this?"

Not entirely untrue. But I’m sure rookie QBs who haven’t taken a snap yet get much less scrutiny than guys who’ve had starts in the league. I’m sure the expectations for Zack Wilson, Trey Lance, Josh Rosen et al were all sky high at one point.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4367 on: April 26, 2024, 06:21:27 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 06:16:33 PM
The offensive coordinator that was immediately hired by another team while the Bears were still trying to get a 4th round pick for Fields, which they did not.

I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year.  I also don't think he was bad enough that a good QB wouldn't have looked good for the Bears last year.  But the QB they had didn't look very good.

John Shoop got a 2nd OC gig in the league. Probably not unironically by the Raiders. Proof he was good at his job.

Marc Trestman oversaw one of the most mocked HCing debacles in league history, and is still getting jobs in the league. Proof, he’s god at his job.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4368 on: April 26, 2024, 06:22:50 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:21:27 PM
John Shoop got a 2nd OC gig in the league. Probably not unironically by the Raiders. Proof he was good at his job.

Marc Trestman oversaw one of the most mocked HCing debacles in league history, and is still getting jobs in the league. Proof, he’s god at his job.

I didn't say it was 'proof' he was good at his job - in fact I pretty explicitly said, verbatim, "I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year" in the very post you quoted - but don't let that stop you from whooping the shit out of your strawman.

The fact is:  Getsy was immediately hired to be someone else's OC, and zero NFL teams wanted Justin Fields to be their starting quarterback even for cheap.
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« Reply #4369 on: April 26, 2024, 06:23:17 PM »
If Kingsbury didn’t leave the Raiders high and dry, Getsy would probably be back to being Rodgers’ ball boy. Devante Adams probably lobbied for Getsy since he’s unhappy with his role in the offense. And since Adams is by far their best offensive player he probably had some sway.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4370 on: April 26, 2024, 06:24:43 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 06:22:50 PM
I didn't say it was 'proof' he was good at his job - in fact I pretty explicitly said, verbatim, "I didn't think Getsy was good, and mentioned that a lot of times last year" in the very post you quoted - but don't let that stop you from whooping the shit out of your strawman.

The fact is:  Getsy was immediately hired to be someone else's OC, and zero NFL teams wanted Justin Fields to be their starting quarterback even for cheap.

Hired because they got left at the altar by Kingsbury, and again, I’ll bet Adams had significant input since he’s all they’ve got.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4371 on: April 26, 2024, 06:25:16 PM »
And the Raiders are a poster child for NFL dysfunction.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4372 on: April 26, 2024, 06:26:56 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:24:43 PM
Hired because they got left at the altar by Kingsbury, and again, I’ll bet Adams had significant input since he’s all they’ve got.

He was just the only potential OC left I guess.
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« Reply #4373 on: April 26, 2024, 06:27:14 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:25:16 PM
And the Raiders are a poster child for NFL dysfunction.

Not quite like the Bears have been until the last few months.  They're finally making the right moves.
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« Reply #4374 on: April 26, 2024, 06:27:29 PM »
Can’t imagine too many quality candidates wanted the Raiders job since they have no QB. I literally don’t even know who their starter is. Stidham? Lol
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4375 on: April 26, 2024, 06:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:27:29 PM
Can’t imagine too many quality candidates wanted the Raiders job since they have no QB. I literally don’t even know who their starter is. Stidham? Lol

Gardner Minshew.
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« Reply #4376 on: April 26, 2024, 06:29:26 PM »
Stidham is no longer there so there’s that. They have O’Connell who no one seems too excited about and traded for a solid backup.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4377 on: April 26, 2024, 06:30:20 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 06:28:36 PM
Gardner Minshew.

Lol.

I’d feel great about him if I need a guy to get me through 2-3 games. He is not a starting caliber quarterback.
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« Reply #4378 on: April 26, 2024, 06:30:48 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:30:20 PM
Lol.

If feel great about him if I need a guy to get me through 2-3 games. He is not a starting caliber quarterback.

They could've had Justin Fields for cheap but chose Minshew.
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« Reply #4379 on: April 26, 2024, 06:32:09 PM »
Getsy was hired long before Minshew was signed FTR.
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