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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #4350 on: April 26, 2024, 05:45:00 PM »
They also said Joe Burrow took to long to throw.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4351 on: April 26, 2024, 05:45:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 03:56:12 PM
I am extremely ready to stop talking about Justin Fields.  The Bears are past it.

Obviously it isn’t today, but hopefully it’s soon that we can move on.

Here’s a solution. Stop opening threads (like this one) and responding about it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #4352 on: April 26, 2024, 05:48:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 04:04:23 PM
If they had moved on from Fields and taken a QB last year I’d be more understanding of the “he was set up to fail” notion.  But instead they traded the top pick for a top WR in the league and a top-10 OT in the draft and Fields looked .. well, about the same.

They gave Fields the chance to prove himself.  He didn’t.  It’s time to move on.  If Caleb isn’t good, they should also move on from him quickly.  If he is, well then they made the obvious right move.

So one good WR and a rookie RT are supposed to vastly improve the least talented offense in the league (ran by a failing soon to be fired coordinator)? Sounds like a legit take.

Look at the Bears last year, and the embarrassment of riches of the Eagles.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #4353 on: April 26, 2024, 05:52:17 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 05:45:58 PM
Here’s a solution. Stop opening threads (like this one) and responding about it.

You could also just get over the fact that he wasn’t good enough here and it was time to move on.  You could stop making stretchy arguments and ignoring reality in favor of some confirmation bias.

We have a new QB now.
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« Reply #4354 on: April 26, 2024, 05:53:25 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 05:44:35 PM
I’ve never said that. I said it was an area that needed improvement. Many times.

Hey, duh, he wasn’t perfect!! 🥴
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« Reply #4355 on: April 26, 2024, 05:53:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 05:48:34 PM
So one good WR and a rookie RT are supposed to vastly improve the least talented offense in the league (ran by a failing soon to be fired coordinator)? Sounds like a legit take.

Look at the Bears last year, and the embarrassment of riches of the Eagles.

I’m pretty sure if they were just setting him up to fail they wouldn’t have spent all last offseason (with a chance to pick the top QB in the draft) spending their assets on improving his supporting cast.

Yes, getting a QB DJ Moore is typically going to be considered a good move to make your QB look better, but it did not.
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« Reply #4356 on: April 26, 2024, 06:00:34 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 05:52:17 PM
You could also just get over the fact that he wasn’t good enough here and it was time to move on.  You could stop making stretchy arguments and ignoring reality in favor of some confirmation bias.

We have a new QB now.

Why is it so important to you that I get over it? Fields wasn’t given adequate support here. The only thing he was given was starts. About 14 less than Mitchell Trubisky FTR. As I said, if you could have a honest private conversation with Ryan Poles I bet he’d admit they and the organization failed Fields.
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« Reply #4357 on: April 26, 2024, 06:02:55 PM »
Fields was not a complete disaster here. If the Panthers win one more game last year, Justin Fields is probably still the quarterback of the Bears.
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« Reply #4358 on: April 26, 2024, 06:03:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:00:34 PM
Why is it so important to you that I get over it? Fields wasn’t given adequate support here. The only thing he was given was starts. About 14 less than Mitchell Trubisky FTR. As I said, if you could have a honest private conversation with Ryan Poles I bet he’d admit they and the organization failed Fields.

Oh, you "bet" that if you could have an honest, private conversation with Poles he'd totally agree with you?

That shocks me.  It's so unlike you to project your own views onto someone else and use that projection as evidence.

He was given starts, and a top WR, and a top-10 OT from the draft when they would've been plenty justified just taking Young or Stroud .  There are a lot of QBs who I'm pretty confident would've loved to have had DJ Moore this year.

You brought up Burrow/Chase and Allen/Diggs a bunch of times this year, how much they got better once they had a top WR.  If Fields had too, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.  But he didn't.
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« Reply #4359 on: April 26, 2024, 06:06:24 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:02:55 PM
Fields was not a complete disaster here. If the Panthers win one more game last year, Justin Fields is probably still the quarterback of the Bears.

And the outlook for next season and the couple after it would be considerably less bright than it currently is without him.

Fields was much closer to a disaster in Chicago than he was to being good enough to justify keeping him with the top pick in hand.
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« Reply #4360 on: April 26, 2024, 06:09:25 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 05:53:59 PM
I’m pretty sure if they were just setting him up to fail they wouldn’t have spent all last offseason (with a chance to pick the top QB in the draft) spending their assets on improving his supporting cast.

Yes, getting a QB DJ Moore is typically going to be considered a good move to make your QB look better, but it did not.

It was “improved,” but still not good enough. Guys like Bob Tonyan, Lucas Patrick, and Tyler Scott wouldn’t be on the field with good teams. Are you telling me the offense had the talent to compete with the best teams in the league? The talent on that offense was still bottom 10. And the coordinator was deemed not good enough by the Bears and fired.
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« Reply #4361 on: April 26, 2024, 06:12:11 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on April 26, 2024, 06:09:25 PM
It was “improved,” but still not good enough. Guys like Bob Tonyan, Lucas Patrick, and Tyler Scott wouldn’t be on the field with good teams. Are you telling me the offense had the talent to compete with the best teams in the league? The talent on that offense was still bottom 10. And the coordinator was deemed not good enough by the Bears and fired.

I'm telling you that an offense with a solid line and a top WR is good enough that the QB can be fairly evaluated in it.  That a good QB would look like a good QB in the Bears' offense last year.

And that despite the crying about how they never gave Fields a fair shot, they spent last offseason getting him help hoping for the big jump a lot of people expected, and he did not make that jump.
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« Reply #4362 on: April 26, 2024, 06:12:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 06:06:24 PM
And the outlook for next season and the couple after it would be considerably less bright than it currently is without him.

Fields was much closer to a disaster in Chicago than he was to being good enough to justify keeping him with the top pick in hand.

I think an offense with a DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Odunze (or maybe Harrison Jr or Nabers), Kmet, Everett, Swift, Herbert, a further developed and improving OL, Justin Fields, and a proven offensive coordinator would have plenty to be excited about.
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« Reply #4363 on: April 26, 2024, 06:14:40 PM »
The entire narrative with that offense would be, "can Fields finally make the jump?"  Because there isn't an indication that he could.  If there was, someone would've wanted him to start for them and no one in the league did.

Remember, you were excited about the offense coming into last season with the Moore addition.  You expected a big jump out of Fields until it didn't happen, at which point you did a 180 and said "well who could've expected him to be better than this?"
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« Reply #4364 on: April 26, 2024, 06:14:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on April 26, 2024, 06:12:11 PM
I'm telling you that an offense with a solid line and a top WR is good enough that the QB can be fairly evaluated in it.  That a good QB would look like a good QB in the Bears' offense last year.

And that despite the crying about how they never gave Fields a fair shot, they spent last offseason getting him help hoping for the big jump a lot of people expected, and he did not make that jump.

The line was still not that good. Only one OL graded out as a starter by PFF, Tevin Jenkins. And we saw how disastrous he was against GB in the finale. And you also never ever seem to mention the offensive coordinator the Bears admitted wasn’t good enough.
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