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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3345 on: December 30, 2023, 03:43:52 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
“bUT caLeB iS a GuRAnTeED fRaNChiSe qB.”

But what are you smoking?
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3346 on: December 30, 2023, 03:46:09 PM »
gUyS wIdE oPEn aLL oVeR thE fiELd

https://youtu.be/MXCYiU5MI1I?si=6lrYBWOsZPNa1fJF
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3347 on: December 30, 2023, 03:53:48 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 03:46:09 PM
gUyS wIdE oPEn aLL oVeR thE fiELd

https://youtu.be/MXCYiU5MI1I?si=6lrYBWOsZPNa1fJF

I bet I saw at least 10 passes in that video that weren’t to “wide open all over the field” guys.
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« Reply #3348 on: December 30, 2023, 04:02:22 PM »
Now am I saying that college passing translates perfectly to the NFL? No. But I don’t think you become the highest rated passer in college in like a 10 year period without being able to pass a little bit.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3349 on: December 30, 2023, 04:05:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 02:45:06 PM
Hey guys, Spark doesn’t think Justin Fields can pass. I look forward to more of this fresh insight.

Surely a less controversial take than the opposite - I see I’ve missed a meltdown from you over an obvious statement though.

Yes a great WR core is great, and will be limited by a guy who can’t throw.  Maybe Fields will suddenly become a guy who can, but he has not been that far.  Crazy to think anyone could try to argue that point.
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« Reply #3350 on: December 30, 2023, 04:06:19 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 30, 2023, 03:11:10 PM
Like all of Spurrier's Florida QBs?

Those guys were typically smaller stature, weak armed marginal athletes. None of that describes Justin Fields.
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« Reply #3351 on: December 30, 2023, 04:06:38 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 02:59:12 PM
And again, I know that Spark hates excuses; but Allen took a jump as a passer when the talent was upgraded around him, and he also had continuity which Justin has not had.

And Fields did not make that jump when he got a similar top WR.  If he had, we would not be having this conversation.
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« Reply #3352 on: December 30, 2023, 04:07:26 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 03:06:30 PM
It’s funny how a guy can go from literally the highest rated passer in the college PFF era to “can’t pass at all.” Ever considered that his surroundings and support just aren’t adequate?

Ever consider that his surroundings and support were so dominant in college that he may just not be a good passer at the pro level, that maybe this PFF rating from four years ago with four top-20 pick WR isn’t actually a particularly compelling data point after three full NFL seasons?

I mean, rhetorical question, but…
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« Reply #3353 on: December 30, 2023, 04:09:00 PM »
I’ve seen you repeat “most accurate passer in the PFF era” at least a few dozen times.

Without looking it up, what does that mean?  What is being measured?
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« Reply #3354 on: December 30, 2023, 04:12:04 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 03:39:48 PM
“bUT caLeB iS a GuRAnTeED fRaNChiSe qB.”

Who are you quoting?

Like it’d be so easy for me to just argue against “but Caleb is a guaranteed bust and Fields is the next Tom Brady!” But no one here is saying anything like that so it wouldn’t be a very good argument.
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« Reply #3355 on: December 30, 2023, 04:25:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 30, 2023, 04:06:38 PM
And Fields did not make that jump when he got a similar top WR.  If he had, we would not be having this conversation.

But he also has less supporting infrastructure. His coaching is worse. His line play is worse. His receiving depth is worse. His numbers to DJ are about as good as it gets.

What if the Bears had given him a real OC instead of a novice whose main qualifications were holding an iPad for Aaron Rodgers, and one year of coaching Nick Fitzgerald at MS St. a guy who had a senior season exactly like his two previous seasons before Getsy except with a worse completion percentage.
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« Reply #3356 on: December 30, 2023, 04:26:23 PM »
We can probably thank the cheap McCaskeys for that hire. McCaskeys…
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« Reply #3357 on: December 30, 2023, 04:26:55 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 30, 2023, 03:46:09 PM
gUyS wIdE oPEn aLL oVeR thE fiELd

https://youtu.be/MXCYiU5MI1I?si=6lrYBWOsZPNa1fJF

I mean yeah, good throws but a lot of these dudes were pretty open.  That isn’t a rip on Fields, he still made the throws.

20 of the 27 completed passes here were to top-20 draft picks.  All 27 were to top-101 picks.
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« Reply #3358 on: December 30, 2023, 04:30:35 PM »
Look no further than Nathaniel Hackett to see how that former staff is doing.
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« Reply #3359 on: December 30, 2023, 04:32:32 PM »
Hackett and Getsy could legitimately be the two worst coordinators in the league.
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