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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #3210 on: December 29, 2023, 02:04:53 PM »
Take those out and his rating goes up a fair bit I’m sure
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« Reply #3211 on: December 29, 2023, 02:06:19 PM »
Mahomes’ “last 5” when his situation has been “less than perfect.”



Make that last 6
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« Reply #3212 on: December 29, 2023, 02:19:34 PM »
The INT against AZ was an awful throw, still don’t know why we’re throwing a corner fade route to a 5’9 RB who isn’t even a polished receiver. Constantly putting Justin in positions to fail. Yep, excuses, every single time.
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« Reply #3213 on: December 29, 2023, 02:48:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 02:04:29 PM
No honest person would charge him with those two Hail Mary INTs in an argument

Every QB gets the INTs that aren’t their fault credited to them.

Without them though he has a monstrous 82 passer rating in the last five games.  Can’t move on from a dude playing like that!
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« Reply #3214 on: December 29, 2023, 02:48:53 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 02:19:34 PM
The INT against AZ was an awful throw, still don’t know why we’re throwing a corner fade route to a 5’9 RB who isn’t even a polished receiver. Constantly putting Justin in positions to fail. Yep, excuses, every single time.

Yes. EVERY time.  100% consistency.
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« Reply #3215 on: December 29, 2023, 02:49:40 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 02:06:19 PM
Mahomes’ “last 5” when his situation has been “less than perfect.”



Make that last 6

Two of these would be top-5 or -7 games in Fields’ career.  The rest are pretty much what he is most weeks.

Is it bad?  It seems like you’re saying it’s bad here but when Fields plays like that you say it’s good.
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« Reply #3216 on: December 29, 2023, 03:03:52 PM »
Fields doesn’t have 5-6 years in a good system, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and the same kind of draft capital invested in weaponry as Mahomes does. Nor as good of an offensive line. Not surprising you look at the passing yards and say “oh much better.” Ignoring the bad ratings.

Watching JT O’Sullivan’s All22 and he loved a snap and run by Fields on 3rd down. “I can’t tell you how much stress that puts on a defense.” Only passing statz matter.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #3217 on: December 29, 2023, 03:08:05 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 03:03:52 PM
Fields doesn’t have 5-6 years in a good system, Andy Reid, Travis Kelce, and the same kind of draft capital invested in weaponry as Mahomes does. Nor as good of an offensive line. Not surprising you look at the passing yards and say “oh much better.” Ignoring the bad ratings.

Watching JT O’Sullivan’s All22 and he loved a snap and run by Fields on 3rd down. “I can’t tell you how much stress that puts on a defense.” Only passing statz matter.

The Chiefs easily have the biggest drop problem in the league, both total and by rate.  That’s an excuse for Fields.  You’re still talking about two drops from two weeks ago, when in reality the Bears don’t have a particular issue with drops.

I’m kind of shocked you want to do the Fields / Mahomes comparison but if you’re really that much of a glutton for punishment we can I guess?

It’s great that he can run the ball.  It does put pressure on a defense - IF you are also a threat to pass.  If Fields was the Bears’ running back the conversation would be different.

He needs to pass the ball.  It’s beyond insane that’s some controversial take here.  He’s the QB.  He will cost 9 figures after next year.  He needs to be able to consistently pass the ball and he has not done that yet through 36 starts.
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« Reply #3218 on: December 29, 2023, 03:22:45 PM »
Mahomes is clearly a superior quarterback; but pretty clearly even he needs adequate help. He’s having easily his worst year, and they are not that starved for talent. And they still have unbelievably good infrastructure. Mahomes had two first ballot HOFers most of his career. It’s nice that we can make excuses for him when his situation is “less than perfect,” though.
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« Reply #3219 on: December 29, 2023, 03:25:43 PM »
Most QBs would not still be desirable commodities after going through what Justin has gone through. He was hung out to dry year two and his sheer playmaking ability carried that offense to competency. Again, most former players speak pretty highly of him and say they should build around him. Passing stat nerds disagree.
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« Reply #3220 on: December 29, 2023, 03:37:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 02:00:54 PM
Very disingenuous stats.

they are literally the stats, tabulated the exact same way stats are for every other quarterback to ever play in the NFL.  They've all had drops, INTs that weren't their fault - 100% of them.

You just have a literal compulsion to excuse away anything that makes Justin Fields look bad, so when someone posts his stats you say "disingenuous".  I get second hand embarrassment just watching the excuse parade from you.
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« Reply #3221 on: December 29, 2023, 03:38:11 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 03:25:43 PM
Most QBs would not still be desirable commodities after going through what Justin has gone through. He was hung out to dry year two and his sheer playmaking ability carried that offense to competency. Again, most former players speak pretty highly of him and say they should build around him. Passing stat nerds disagree.

That you would even try to paint people saying "the quarterback needs to be able to move the ball through the air" as "passing stat nerds" is fucking hysterical.  My god, you are so lost in the weeds on this you'll never find your way back.  This is quite literally a quarterback's main job in football.

I can see it now - if they move away from Fields you're going to be rooting AGAINST the Bears a year from now.
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« Reply #3222 on: December 29, 2023, 03:43:35 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 01:24:17 PM
If you put Justin Fields on the Eagles, the last three years, there’s pretty much no doubt he would be better
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« Reply #3223 on: December 29, 2023, 03:44:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 03:22:45 PM
Mahomes is clearly a superior quarterback; but pretty clearly even he needs adequate help. He’s having easily his worst year, and they are not that starved for talent. And they still have unbelievably good infrastructure. Mahomes had two first ballot HOFers most of his career. It’s nice that we can make excuses for him when his situation is “less than perfect,” though.

And 'easily his worst year' would be 'easily Fields' best year'.  That is the problem.  For all the 'he turned a corner' talk this year with Fields, he has not done that - he is still performing at a similar level he was performing at a year ago.

The negatives you're pointing out about Mahomes' production this year - completely fair to point out, he definitely hasn't been his usual self! - are better than Fields' peak.  Mahomes' passer rating right now would be his career low (as a starter) by 6 points, and would be Fields' career high by 7.  His QBR this season (63), is 0.8 points better than the worst of his career, and 19 points higher than Fields' this year (44).  It's 7 points higher than  Fields' last year, which was his best (56).

That you even want to compare these dudes is fucking embarrassing.
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« Reply #3224 on: December 29, 2023, 03:46:06 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 29, 2023, 02:19:34 PM
The INT against AZ was an awful throw, still don’t know why we’re throwing a corner fade route to a 5’9 RB who isn’t even a polished receiver. Constantly putting Justin in positions to fail. Yep, excuses, every single time.

LOL. Throw was late and in the wrong spot. Was supposed to be out towards the pylon.

Amazing how the excuses keep flowing.
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