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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2535 on: December 18, 2023, 02:16:52 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 02:08:58 PM
You’ve blamed others in the same fashion PAMan has. You blame others then spend 10 pages railing on Fields and how the problem is the QB.

The VERY FIRST BIT OF BLAME I APPORTIONED was to Luke Getsy's playcalling.  That wasn't, like, an accident.

I argue with you about Fields because you literally refuse to acknowledge that anything he does is his fault ever - that's it, that's the entire reason we argue about Fields.  It's not because I think Fields was the biggest problem.  If I did, I'd have said that but I pretty notably did not.  Instead, my first and most forceful criticism was of the playcalling.  But I ALSO acknowledged the truth - that Fields was mediocre yesterday - and you simply cannot allow the truth to be acknowledged if it makes Fields look bad, so we argue about it for 10 pages with you hammering guys for not making great plays on tipped Hail Marys, demanding that we count a drop as an 80 yard touchdown (but refusing to see that to do that and have it be fair you'd also have to count the dropped INTs), etc.

If you'd just said "yep, the playcalling was terrible and the QB play was mediocre," something that literally is not a controversy with any NFL fan EXCEPT a "Fields cannot be criticized" type, we wouldn't have argued about Fields for even one post, let alone since the game ended.  But you can't do that.  You can't acknowledge that Fields was mediocre yesterday, it has to be everyone else's fault, 100% of the time.  And that's self-evidently absurd, which is why we argue about Fields.
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« Reply #2536 on: December 18, 2023, 02:18:49 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 02:12:19 PM
I’ve literally made catches like that. So yeah, I think I could have made that catch. Since I’ve caught catches in similar fashion.

No, you haven't, and that you're willing to come here and say shit like this is why everyone makes fun of you so often.

I am 100% certain if you were in Darnell Mooney's position on that play, it simply hits the turf incomplete before it ever lands on your forearms.  Not only wouldn't you have caught it, you wouldn't even have been in a position to be criticized for not catching it.
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« Reply #2537 on: December 18, 2023, 02:20:31 PM »
Yes. The very first. Then the next 10 pages were about how Justin is the problem because he can’t overcome all of the ineptness around him.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2538 on: December 18, 2023, 02:21:17 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 02:11:12 PM
It was not an overly difficult play. Especially when he had it 80% corralled. Mooney probably makes that catch more often than not. It certainly wasn’t “Amazing just to be in position.”

To even be in a position where it is "80% corralled" took a damn difficult play.  If he hadn't reached out one handed falling backwards on a tipped ball, it never even lands on his body.

Anyone criticizing a guy (ANY guy, Calvin Johnson or Jerry Rice or Moss or whoever included) for not catching that ball is a complete and utter moron.
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« Reply #2539 on: December 18, 2023, 02:22:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 18, 2023, 02:18:49 PM
No, you haven't, and that you're willing to come here and say shit like this is why everyone makes fun of you so often.

I am 100% certain if you were in Darnell Mooney's position on that play, it simply hits the turf incomplete before it ever lands on your forearms.  Not only wouldn't you have caught it, you wouldn't even have been in a position to be criticized for not catching it.

In a real game? No. You could play football 10 years and maybe be in that situation once.  In practice and pick up games? Sure, I’ve made catches of similar difficulty. Athletically, that catch was a 7 in difficulty.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2540 on: December 18, 2023, 02:23:06 PM »
“Amazing” just to be in position!
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« Reply #2541 on: December 18, 2023, 02:23:12 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 02:20:31 PM
Yes. The very first. Then the next 10 pages were about how Justin is the problem because he can’t overcome all of the ineptness around him.

Correct.  When I pointed out that Fields was mediocre, you argued with me about it for 10 pages about how it wasn't actually his fault, but it was everyone else's fault.  Which, coincidentally, you do after literally every single game.

You can blame that on me if you'd like; if you simply acknowledged valid criticisms of Fields instead of trying to shamelessly deflect 100% of them, it wouldn't have happened.  I didn't say anything even remotely controversial except to someone more dug in on Justin Fields than an objective, shared reality.
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« Reply #2542 on: December 18, 2023, 02:24:31 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 02:22:31 PM
In a real game? No. You could play football 10 years and maybe be in that situation once.  In practice and pick up games? Sure, I’ve made catches of similar difficulty. Athletically, that catch was a 7 in difficulty.

So dumb, it's literally not worth addressing.

If you think you would've made the catch you're a complete idiot and I've been giving you way too much credit all these years.

I don't think you really believe that though, you're just willing to say shit you know is nonsense rather than admit that the guy you've been so dug in on for a year+ now hasn't been very good.
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« Reply #2543 on: December 18, 2023, 02:29:43 PM »
Fields doesn’t sniff the top 5 reasons they lost. He wasn’t “great,” but he was good enough to win.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2544 on: December 18, 2023, 02:31:35 PM »
Nm
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2545 on: December 18, 2023, 02:32:28 PM »
Fields was mediocre as fuck yesterday and if you're not even willing to acknowledge when he's mediocre as fuck, you're a complete waste of my time who obviously is not interested in changing his views on anything regardless of the evidence.

Like you can't even post in acknowledgement when Fields has a mediocre game.  Why on Earth would anyone think your views on the guy are 'credible' if you're not willing to make the most base-level, obvious "acknowledgements" when he isn't good?
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« Reply #2546 on: December 18, 2023, 02:34:01 PM »
Hilarious that you think completing this catch would have been some otherworldly feat. Would have been a good catch. Definitely not some sort of “miracle” catch. It would have been spectacular because it was a game winner. Difficulty? 7

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2547 on: December 18, 2023, 02:35:48 PM »
It's going to be really funny to come back to these posts in a few years and watch Tempo go to absolute bat mocking Mooney for not making a play on his ass off a tipped Hail Mary and acting like it wouldn't have been a phenomenal play all to avoid giving Justin Fields any blame for anything, ever.

It's the weirdest shit I've ever seen.  Just defies all logic completely.
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« Reply #2548 on: December 18, 2023, 02:36:32 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 18, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Fields was mediocre as fuck yesterday and if you're not even willing to acknowledge when he's mediocre as fuck, you're a complete waste of my time who obviously is not interested in changing his views on anything regardless of the evidence.

Like you can't even post in acknowledgement when Fields has a mediocre game.  Why on Earth would anyone think your views on the guy are 'credible' if you're not willing to make the most base-level, obvious "acknowledgements" when he isn't good?

He was good enough to win. And wasn’t a reason they lost.
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« Reply #2549 on: December 18, 2023, 02:36:53 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 02:34:01 PM
Hilarious that you think completing this catch would have been some otherworldly feat. Would have been a good catch. Definitely not some sort of “miracle” catch. It would have been spectacular because it was a game winner. Difficulty? 7


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