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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2520 on: December 18, 2023, 01:51:40 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 18, 2023, 01:49:32 PM
Well, Fields can't read defenses and does not make progressions fast enough. Other than that, he is ok.

Why do you keep bringing up Jalen Hurts?
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« Reply #2521 on: December 18, 2023, 01:51:49 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 01:48:03 PM
Yes, you said the play-calling was terrible. And then are miffed it wasn’t overcome. Despite the bad blocking, lack of run game, and crucial drops. You’re just as dug in as PAMan these days. I get the legitimate criticisms of Fields and why you might want to move on. I’m just sick of everyone here blaming him for everything when it’s clearly not ALL him. You acknowledge the bad play-calling then rail on Fields for 8 pages.

I don’t think bad play calling is an excuse for poor play from other guys.  I don’t think it’s an excuse for Fields’ play or Tonyan’s play.  I think Getsy controls the play calling, and Fields controls his play, and Tonyan’s controls his play and they all deserve credit and blame for those individual things they each control.

You are the one that insists that one of those three guys simply cannot be held accountable for his own performance because of the performance of the other two.  Not me.
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« Reply #2522 on: December 18, 2023, 01:52:36 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 01:51:40 PM
Why do you keep bringing up Jalen Hurts?

Are you actually TRYING to come off like a middle schooler now?  I don’t get it.  Be a fuckin grown up man.
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« Reply #2523 on: December 18, 2023, 01:53:28 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 01:50:28 PM
I probably make that catch in high school. I never dropped a kick or a punt (similar catch with a little higher degree of difficulty) you could ask my high school JV coach, but he’s dead.

You make that catch in high school the same way you’re more credible than the Bears beat writer.

Which is to say, in your ridiculous fantasies and nowhere else.

Even being willing to put your name on the notion that it was similar to catching an untipped punt while standing balanced is absolutely fucking embarrassing shit.
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« Reply #2524 on: December 18, 2023, 01:54:44 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 18, 2023, 01:35:11 PM

Well, the very first thing I said about the game was "the play calling was terrible".

My posts are mostly about Fields because I also said "and the QB play was mediocre as fuck", and you simply cannot accept any criticism of Fields so you turn it into a dozen page argument.  If you could just acknowledge when Fields plays poorly, we wouldn't have to argue about it and fewer of my posts would be about it.

If you were here arguing "actually the play calling was good and the players are just terrible," most of my posts would be about that because that's just as dumb.

You don't care though.  That I criticized the play calling more forcefully and first isn't material to you.  I also criticized Fields' play and you simply will not allow that to happen without trotting out half a dozen excuses, posting a bunch of nonsense as if I'm blaming him for the playcalling or the play of others, twisting my opinion to say something you CAN argue and arguing against that instead.

I think most people watching the game yesterday would not find "Fields was mediocre as fuck" to be a particularly controversial statement, but you simply will not allow that.  The closest thing you've offered to criticism of his play is to say "he wasn't perfect - he wasn't even Hall of Fame level."

I simply want people to spread the blame appropriately instead of creative narratives about how a still young quarterback in a really tough situation is supposed to overcome all of the craptastic shit around him. Nothing outside of DJ Moore and David Montgomery has been even remotely consistently acceptable for a very long time. Pre-Justin as well.
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« Reply #2525 on: December 18, 2023, 01:56:13 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 18, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
You make that catch in high school the same way you’re more credible than the Bears beat writer.

Which is to say, in your ridiculous fantasies and nowhere else.

Even being willing to put your name on the notion that it was similar to catching an untipped punt while standing balanced is absolutely fucking embarrassing shit.

I had excellent hands. And good concentration. Not as good as Steve Bennett’s but good.
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« Reply #2526 on: December 18, 2023, 01:57:37 PM »
Dude the degree of difficulty was a lot closer to 7 than 10. “Amazing just to have a chance!”
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« Reply #2527 on: December 18, 2023, 01:59:16 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 01:54:44 PM
I simply want people to spread the blame appropriately instead of creative narratives about how a still young quarterback in a really tough situation is supposed to overcome all of the craptastic shit around him. Nothing outside of DJ Moore and David Montgomery has been even remotely consistently acceptable for a very long time. Pre-Justin as well.

I HAVE spread the blame around.  In fact, the very first place I put the blame was on the Playcalling.  You simply do not accept it because I also apportion blame for Fields’ play to Fields and not everyone else.  You steadfastly refuse to accept someone offering criticism of Fields ever in any circumstance.  Weber First Fan type nonsense.

I’d like to see you occasionally actually criticize a game he played without it being laughable “he didn’t play at a Hall of Fame level” shit, but it seems that’s off the table.
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« Reply #2528 on: December 18, 2023, 02:00:18 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 01:57:37 PM
Dude the degree of difficulty was a lot closer to 7 than 10. “Amazing just to have a chance!”

I didn’t say it was a 10.  I said he made a hell of a play to even be in that position, which any reasonable person watching the video can see.  Yeah, it was on his lap and he bobbled it.  It was on his lap because he made a great play falling backwards off a tip to almost catch it.  Again, not controversial with any human being anywhere except a Fields apologist.

You are trying to blame everyone else for Fields’ play though, so you have to pretend instead of just telling the truth.
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« Reply #2529 on: December 18, 2023, 02:01:53 PM »
Quote from: Playmaker who doesn’t make plays on December 18, 2023, 01:56:13 PM
I had excellent hands. And good concentration. Not as good as Steve Bennett’s but good.

If you think you’d have made that play you’re absolutely kidding yourself
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« Reply #2530 on: December 18, 2023, 02:08:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 18, 2023, 01:59:16 PM
I HAVE spread the blame around.  In fact, the very first place I put the blame was on the Playcalling.  You simply do not accept it because I also apportion blame for Fields’ play to Fields and not everyone else.  You steadfastly refuse to accept someone offering criticism of Fields ever in any circumstance.  Weber First Fan type nonsense.

I’d like to see you occasionally actually criticize a game he played without it being laughable “he didn’t play at a Hall of Fame level” shit, but it seems that’s off the table.

You’ve blamed others in the same fashion PAMan has. You blame others then spend 10 pages railing on Fields and how the problem is the QB.
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« Reply #2531 on: December 18, 2023, 02:11:12 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 18, 2023, 02:01:53 PM
If you think you’d have made that play you’re absolutely kidding yourself

It was not an overly difficult play. Especially when he had it 80% corralled. Mooney probably makes that catch more often than not. It certainly wasn’t “Amazing just to be in position.”
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« Reply #2532 on: December 18, 2023, 02:12:19 PM »
I’ve literally made catches like that. So yeah, I think I could have made that catch. Since I’ve caught catches in similar fashion.
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« Reply #2533 on: December 18, 2023, 02:12:56 PM »
Spark, didn’t you say you’d never played organized football?
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« Reply #2534 on: December 18, 2023, 02:14:47 PM »
A million times I’ve said Fields needs to play better more often. He also gets shit for support. Absolute shit most of the time outside of DJ Moore.
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