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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2115 on: December 13, 2023, 09:49:46 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:47:40 AM
If you’re unable to view the video I’ll help. “This is a ball thrown with anticipation. 85 is so slow (laughter)! No sense of urgency, quits on the route. Just disgusting (I feel bad for Justin, there’s so much to like here). 85 is too slow and he falls out.”

Okay then - he only had the fumble returned for a TD to tie, and the turnover on downs down by 3 then.

Does he at least deserve the blame for his play on those drives?

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« Reply #2116 on: December 13, 2023, 09:49:51 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 08:13:50 AM
Non-glowing evaluations? I expect there’s 90% chance he’s the first player taken. His scouting report reads a lot like Justin Fields. Not identical, no. I also can’t pretend I can watch college film and say “oh yeah, great NFL player.” As I said, I’m sure Fields had some great college tape, too.

You are probably right based on your watching of Bear games and analysis of Fields. You would probably be way off.
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« Reply #2117 on: December 13, 2023, 09:49:55 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 09:45:19 AM
I literally asked you directly “when will it be fair to evaluate Justin Fields?” And you said “next year, like Mitch got.”

Yeah, IMO next year is a fairer evaluation. IMO. If Poles is adamant he needs to move on, that can be justified. It can also be justified to keep him another year.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2118 on: December 13, 2023, 09:50:57 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 09:49:46 AM
Okay then - he only had the fumble returned for a TD to tie, and the turnover on downs down by 3 then.

Does he at least deserve the blame for his play on those drives?

“The fumble was a Backbreaker.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2119 on: December 13, 2023, 09:54:47 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:50:57 AM
“The fumble was a Backbreaker.”

But when I say “he played poorly down the stretch and that was part of why they lost”, you will argue with me to the ends of the Earth that that’s unfair and have a list of 4-5 different .. uh .. reasons why it’s not actually Fields’ fault when he makes bad plays.

Are you going to give Caleb Williams three seasons before you think it’s fair to criticize his play?  I just can’t imagine you will no matter what team he is on.
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« Reply #2120 on: December 13, 2023, 09:54:52 AM »
Fields in the running for Denver MVP.
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« Reply #2121 on: December 13, 2023, 09:56:44 AM »
If Ryan Poles has conviction that he he needs to move on from Fields next year, I get it. I don’t like it. I don’t agree with it. But I get it. I don’t know why I have to be all in favor of it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2122 on: December 13, 2023, 09:58:02 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 09:54:47 AM
But when I say “he played poorly down the stretch and that was part of why they lost”, you will argue with me to the ends of the Earth that that’s unfair and have a list of 4-5 different .. uh .. reasons why it’s not actually Fields’ fault when he makes bad plays.

Are you going to give Caleb Williams three seasons before you think it’s fair to criticize his play?  I just can’t imagine you will no matter what team he is on.

If Caleb Williams is a Bear I will root for him. And I promise you one thing. He’ll have better talent around him than Justin had his first three years.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2123 on: December 13, 2023, 09:58:47 AM »
And probably better coaching.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2124 on: December 13, 2023, 10:00:45 AM »
And I don’t know why you’re so upset that I won’t say “I see the logic in passing on the top QBs to give Fields a fourth year to prove he can pass at a high level”.  I don’t see the logic in that.  That isn’t relevant, it doesn’t matter what I think, but to me that looks like an obvious and easily avoidable mistake.

Would you rather me just lie and be like “oh yeah I definitely see why you’d do that”?

As I’ve said a few times, if they trade back and get MHJ and keep Fields I will be excited about it - but then there can be ZERO excuses at all for Fields’ play next season.  And when I asked you if that’d be the case you started it with “well given time to adjust and build cohesion,” type stuff - already setting up a ..um.. reason why Fields MIGHT not perform next year.

If the Bears keep Fields and get him MHJ I will be hopeful even though I think it’s an obvious mistake.  But if they do that there can be zero excuses whatsoever next year for his play.
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« Reply #2125 on: December 13, 2023, 10:03:50 AM »
You realize the bust rate on quarterbacks in the 1st round is fairly high, right? In before PAMan, “We know that all too well! Look at our current QB1!”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2126 on: December 13, 2023, 10:05:55 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:58:02 AM
If Caleb Williams is a Bear I will root for him. And I promise you one thing. He’ll have better talent around him than Justin had his first three years.

#noexcuses for Caleb in year one, but if it’s Fields in year 4 and they build cohesion and have time to mesh and the OC is good and they get a second top WR, maybe there can be no excuses.  Do you really not see how differently you treat these two guys?

I wasn’t hard on Fields after year one at all.  After year two, I was excited and had seen some potential there and expected the big corner turn - you were here posting “credible opinions” all last offseason about how Fields was going to be an MVP candidate.  But here we are near the end of year three, and there hasn’t been some big corner turned, and he’s still an average and inconsistent passer, and we have a chance to pick the best QB prospect this franchise has ever (and maybe will ever) get a shot at.
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« Reply #2127 on: December 13, 2023, 10:06:53 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:03:50 AM
You realize the bust rate on quarterbacks in the 1st round is fairly high, right? In before PAMan, “We know that all too well! Look at our current QB1!”

The bust rates on QBs everywhere are high.  Lower in the first round, and even lower at 1.01.

You have a better chance of getting a good QB at 1.01 than you do anywhere else in the draft.

Make a list of the 1.01 guys.  Make a list of top-10 guys.  Make a list of first round guys.  Make a list of every QB drafted.  Then tell me which list you’d rather close your eyes and pick from.
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« Reply #2128 on: December 13, 2023, 10:07:38 AM »
Yes, minus mass injuries zero excuses next year. I don’t know why that’s hard to grasp. I’ve cited over and over this year had:

1) significant Preseason and early season absences and injuries that affected cohesion

2) integration of 30 new players, many of them 1st and 2nd year players (Braxton and Darnell aren’t superstars *yet*)

3) still below average talent at the skill positions (across the board). DJ is excellent, after that just guys.
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« Reply #2129 on: December 13, 2023, 10:10:54 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 10:07:38 AM
Yes, minus mass injuries zero excuses next year. I don’t know why that’s hard to grasp. I’ve cited over and over this year had:

1) significant Preseason and early season absences and injuries that affected cohesion

2) integration of 30 new players, many of them 1st and 2nd year players (Braxton and Darnell aren’t superstars *yet*)

3) still below average talent at the skill positions (across the board). DJ is excellent, after that just guys.

Damn near every single NFL team has lots of injuries every single year.

The other two things have not changed since you were posting last off-season how credible people were saying he would be an MVP candidate.

There are going to be a lot of new faces next year too.  You can’t continually tout “they have a ton of cap space!” as a reason to expect a big turnaround and then say “well they had a ton of new players!” as an excuse if the turnaround doesn’t happen - that’s stupid.  Literally the ability to bring in a ton of new talent was a large reason you thought the Bears and Fields would be good this year, and now it’s an excuse for why they haven’t really been that good.
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