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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2100 on: December 13, 2023, 09:20:17 AM »
USC of last two year does not = Bears of last year
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2101 on: December 13, 2023, 09:22:16 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:10:37 AM
Lol we’re comparing USC’s COLLEGE TALENT (Jordan Addison College receiver of the year) to last years’ Bears roster. Lol really?

Does the talent around a guy matter or doesn’t it?  Is a discrepancy in talent an excuse for poor play? Or is it not?

You want the answer to be one thing about Fields and the opposite about Williams, and I don’t think that makes sense.

If USC this year had the defenses at OSU with Fields, what do you think their record would’ve been?
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« Reply #2102 on: December 13, 2023, 09:24:17 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:20:17 AM
USC of last two year does not = Bears of last year

Yes I’m aware.  The talent around a guy only matters for some people.  The defense blowing games is an excuse for some folks, but not for others.

No excuses for Caleb!  #noexcuses

I’ll repeat, I have no idea if Caleb Williams will be a great NFL QB.  But anyone who says “he’s a smaller Fields”, especially someone who has never watched him play, can be pretty safely ignored.  They aren’t similar players other than that they both have shifty, make guys miss type moves with their legs.
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« Reply #2103 on: December 13, 2023, 09:25:10 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:15:22 AM
I’m pretty sure you did. Because I was shocked your response was virtually identical to the PAMan. That’s when I realized you guys were sounding tremendously alike.

You can be pretty sure of whatever you’d like.  I’m absolutely positive I did not say something I have never believed.
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« Reply #2104 on: December 13, 2023, 09:26:51 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:12:39 AM
I wish Justin had had the top receiver in the NFL last year…

He has a top receiver this year.  All off-season the talk was about how he would obviously turn the corner this year with more talent.  But he’s still inconsistent and mostly average as a passer.

Now it’s “what he needs to be consistently good in the passing game is a top receiver AND one of the best receiver prospects in years”.
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« Reply #2105 on: December 13, 2023, 09:27:21 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:11:51 AM
Did you just make the case USC is bereft of talent in the Pac whatever number they call it now conference?

That’s an easy one.

No, I didn’t.

If you could stick to what I actually said instead of trying to extrapolate it and hold me to the exaggeration you make up, I would appreciate it.
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« Reply #2106 on: December 13, 2023, 09:28:29 AM »
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems to be putting A LOT of the blame on the quarterback. The defense was putrid down the stretch of that game (just like the first Detroit game). I even concede here that the fumble was a “backbreaker,” but somehow I’m letting Justin entirely off the hook by saying it was a “team loss.”


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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2107 on: December 13, 2023, 09:29:46 AM »
The INT was after they lost the lead wasn’t it?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2108 on: December 13, 2023, 09:31:13 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:28:29 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems to be putting A LOT of the blame on the quarterback. The defense was putrid down the stretch of that game (just like the first Detroit game). I even concede here that the fumble was a “backbreaker,” but somehow I’m letting Justin entirely off the hook by saying it was a “team loss.”



Looks to me like it’s putting the blame on the quarterback for HIS OWN PLAY, some thing you’re completely unwilling to do re:Justin Fields.

It does not come close to saying or implying that the loss was all or even mostly his fault.  I was blaming him for his own, personal play - something you’re totally unwilling to do regarding Fields pretty much ever.

You told me with a straight face that it’s not even fair to evaluate the guy until year 4.
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« Reply #2109 on: December 13, 2023, 09:41:41 AM »
Wanna talk about the Denver INT? Do yourself a favor and watch JT O’Sullivan’s review from 7:00 left on.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/90228447?utm_campaign=postshare_fan
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2110 on: December 13, 2023, 09:42:18 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:29:46 AM
The INT was after they lost the lead wasn’t it?

Yes.  Did I say otherwise?  Confused why you asked this.

With 10 minutes left in the game the Bears were winning by a touchdown.  They got three more drives:

- 5 plays, 10 yards, Fields fumble returned for a touchdown
- 11 plays, 57 yards, turnover on downs
(Broncos kick a FG to go up by three)
- 7 plays, 22 yards, Fields INT


Three possessions.  One up by a TD, one tied, one down by a FG.  Two turnovers and one turnover on downs.

Fields doesn’t deserve any blame for the defense giving up two touchdowns in the fourth quarter (same with Williams in the Utah game), but he deserves some blame for the three empty clutch time possessions from the offense.
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« Reply #2111 on: December 13, 2023, 09:43:58 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 13, 2023, 09:31:13 AM
Looks to me like it’s putting the blame on the quarterback for HIS OWN PLAY, some thing you’re completely unwilling to do re:Justin Fields.

It does not come close to saying or implying that the loss was all or even mostly his fault.  I was blaming him for his own, personal play - something you’re totally unwilling to do regarding Fields pretty much ever.

You told me with a straight face that it’s not even fair to evaluate the guy until year 4.

How can I say that the case to move on from Justin Fields is a justifiable one but also say that you can’t evaluate him yet? I’m saying it’s fair to give him some benefit of the doubt. I’m not saying we can’t evaluate him. I’ve said 20x the case to move on can be justified. How many times do I have say that before it’s comprehended?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2112 on: December 13, 2023, 09:45:19 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 13, 2023, 09:43:58 AM
How can I say that the case to move on from Justin Fields is a justifiable one but also say that you can’t evaluate him yet? I’m saying it’s fair to give him some benefit of the doubt. I’m not saying we can’t evaluate him. I’ve said 20x the case to move on can be justified. How many times do I have say that before it’s comprehended?

I literally asked you directly “when will it be fair to evaluate Justin Fields?” And you said “next year, like Mitch got.”
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« Reply #2113 on: December 13, 2023, 09:47:40 AM »
If you’re unable to view the video I’ll help. “This is a ball thrown with anticipation. 85 is so slow (laughter)! No sense of urgency, quits on the route. Just disgusting (I feel bad for Justin, there’s so much to like here). 85 is too slow and he falls out.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2114 on: December 13, 2023, 09:48:12 AM »
100% of the time I’ve tried to offer an evaluation of Fields’ own personal play, you have told me there are reasons that isn’t fair to do - his WRs suck, his OL sucks, there are 30 new players, the OC sucks, etc etc.  So I ask directly, when WILL it be fair to evaluate Fields’ own personal play? And you said next year.

I will just be shocked if you give Caleb Williams three years in the NFL before you think it’s fair to criticize his play.
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