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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #2025 on: December 12, 2023, 07:17:44 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 12, 2023, 07:06:17 PM
If the Bears had to decide whether to pay Fields NFL starter money this offseason, would you think they should?

Why or why not?

Thankfully, we’re not there yet. Depends on what the deal looked like. TBH at this point the very most I’d do is pick up his 5th year which I believe I heard was 20 million or thereabouts.
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« Reply #2026 on: December 12, 2023, 09:06:16 PM »
I think if it really comes to resigning him it'll actually be bigger than this deal, but how about - you have to decide this offseason whether to pay him what Daniel Jones got last year.  Would you be in on keeping him, or still up in the air?

I agree that it's lucky (at least for Fields :) ) that they don't actually have to make that call right now.  But I do think the opportunity to draft what is surely the best QB prospect (no sure things, fully acknowledge that) that they've ever had a chance to draft has to color that decision a lot.

Like it's not LITERALLY true, but in a lot of ways I think the decision this off-season IS about whether you want to pay him .. after next year.  IMO, if you're still unsure right now near the end of year 3, then the likelihood that you're 100% sure a year from now near the end of year 4 is really small.  And if you're not going to be sure on him at the end of year 4 then it's a better long term move to take the ultra-high-ceiling top QB prospect on a cheap deal for 5 more years.
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« Reply #2027 on: December 12, 2023, 09:09:06 PM »
I would be up in the air on anything more than the fifth year option and probably leaning towards probably not
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2028 on: December 12, 2023, 09:09:27 PM »
Another thought I had earlier - say the Bears end up with, say, 1 and 5 in the draft - and decide to move on from Fields (not a sure thing).

Would you support them taking a QB at the top, and trying to move up with the other pick to get Harrison?
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« Reply #2029 on: December 12, 2023, 09:09:45 PM »
20 million is not a prohibitive deal if we’re talking much more than that I’m definitely gonna be hesitant
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2030 on: December 12, 2023, 09:10:28 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 12, 2023, 09:09:06 PM
I would be up in the air on anything more than the fifth year option and probably leaning towards probably not

Probably less up in the air than you would be, but - same.
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« Reply #2031 on: December 12, 2023, 09:11:23 PM »
Part of the reason I’m still bullish on fields is because the risk isn’t that exorbitant
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« Reply #2032 on: December 12, 2023, 09:13:57 PM »
If Peyton Manning or Andrew luck or Trevor Lawrence were sitting there at number one I don’t think I would be against drafting that player. I’m just not convinced that Caleb Williams is as safe as those guys.
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« Reply #2033 on: December 12, 2023, 09:14:32 PM »
Particularly when his draft profile reads like a less athletic version of Justin Fields
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« Reply #2034 on: December 12, 2023, 09:14:47 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 12, 2023, 09:11:23 PM
Part of the reason I’m still bullish on fields is because the risk isn’t that exorbitant

But part of THAT calculation is your evaluation of the top QB prospects right?

Because passing on the opportunity to get one of those guys is definitely a risk.  Getting one is too, I fully recognize that, but passing on the opportunity to grab what are probably going to be considered pre-draft two of the better QB prospects in the last 5-10 years in the hopes that either 1. Fields improves a lot or 2. you can "figure out the QB position later" is a pretty big risk too.

End of the day, I'm not going to like, quit watching the Bears in disgust if they trade down and get Harrison and keep Fields.  I will think it's a likely mistake, but I don't think I have a crystal ball or anything.  I will still watch and root for them and hope Fields kills it and Harrison is elite.
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« Reply #2035 on: December 12, 2023, 09:15:19 PM »
Not that he is a poor athlete he’s not, but he’s may not even be 6 feet tall and he’s clearly not the runner Fields is
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #2036 on: December 12, 2023, 09:18:52 PM »
I just don’t think you pass on the opportunity to draft the best QB prospect since 2012 with Andrew Luck. It’s been reported that he might be the best prospect since Peyton Manning. I know that’s subjective, but can a franchise like the Bears pass on that?!
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« Reply #2037 on: December 12, 2023, 09:19:55 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 12, 2023, 09:15:19 PM
Not that he is a poor athlete he’s not, but he’s may not even be 6 feet tall and he’s clearly not the runner Fields is

You haven't even watched him man.

Dude is pretty fucking electric with his legs, hahaha.  He definitely keeps his eyes down field and looks to pass more than Fields does outside the pocket. Fields is quicker to pull it down and run the ball for yardage, and Williams is more likely to make a throw on the run - but dude has pretty similar "holy shit" moves to Fields with his legs to make dudes miss.

I know you didn't read any of what I said after watching that tape of him, but I mentioned this play - this dude is pretty fucking good with his legs.

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« Reply #2038 on: December 12, 2023, 09:20:37 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 12, 2023, 09:13:57 PM
If Peyton Manning or Andrew luck or Trevor Lawrence were sitting there at number one I don’t think I would be against drafting that player. I’m just not convinced that Caleb Williams is as safe as those guys.

NFL GM’s have said he’d be QB1 in any draft of the last 10 years.
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« Reply #2039 on: December 12, 2023, 09:23:43 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 12, 2023, 09:13:57 PM
If Peyton Manning or Andrew luck or Trevor Lawrence were sitting there at number one I don’t think I would be against drafting that player. I’m just not convinced that Caleb Williams is as safe as those guys.

This has completely changed in four months, though.  I posted this before but ESPN polled 12 NFL scouts in August and all 12 of them said he was the best prospect since Peyton Manning.

Now some of the shine has come off, he had a considerably worse roster from what I understand and lost a lot of games - fair enough.  But he's still the dude who 4 months ago was unanimously considered a better prospect than Andrew Luck by those "credible" NFL scouts.

That isn't a sure thing.  Even if he was eligible last year and people were saying those things about him I would be the first one to say "there is no such thing as a sure thing".  But he's still the same guy who they said those things about.
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