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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1680 on: December 11, 2023, 01:57:30 PM »
MHJ isn’t a sure thing. Lol

I guess not.

But Caleb Williams is!
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« Reply #1681 on: December 11, 2023, 01:58:17 PM »
If I’m betting my balls, I am absolutely betting on MHJ over Caleb Williams.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1682 on: December 11, 2023, 01:59:12 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:57:13 PM
So stupid.

Why does he need two #1s to be good?
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« Reply #1683 on: December 11, 2023, 02:00:45 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
He was on the team the year Caleb Williams won the Heisman Trophy and became “the next generational” quarterback. So we’re not counting Williams’ Heisman year as part of his college production? Weird stipulation.

Huh?

I asked you "Do you think USC had as much talent at WR this year as OSU did with Fields?"

The first guy you listed was not on USC this year.  The other guys you listed are mostly just "guys".

I suppose this is just another situation - like a handful this weekend - where you know answering the question honestly would undercut your point, so you just avoid the question and answer some other question instead.

Yes, Jordan Addison was a very good college WR.  Caleb Williams was amazing with him.

The guys he had this year were not nearly as good, and Caleb Williams was still really productive.

If you're willing to compare the Rice/Washington/Williams group to the Olave/Wilson/JSN/Jameson Williams group with a straight face, there's obviously 0 chance you're ever going to be honest about this.
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« Reply #1684 on: December 11, 2023, 02:00:56 PM »
Hurts’ passing numbers before getting two 1s were Joe Flacco like. Maybe Joe Flacco Lite.
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« Reply #1685 on: December 11, 2023, 02:01:43 PM »
So we’re going to omit Williams’ Heisman season from his record. Mmmmkay.
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« Reply #1686 on: December 11, 2023, 02:03:52 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:57:30 PM
MHJ isn’t a sure thing. Lol

I guess not.

But Caleb Williams is!

Nope, but nobody does the "just make up a strawman" thing like you do bud.  Why argue against what someone says when you can just make up something they didn't say and argue that instead?

I have been pretty clear on whether there's such a thing as a "sure thing" in the NFL draft.  cReDibLE pEoPlE AgReE WiTh Me!

MHJ looks like a great prospect - but so does Caleb Williams.  MHJ will rely on having a QB who can reliably get him the ball with his arms, or his production will be limited.  I have not seen indication that Justin Fields can be that guy through 35 starts.

What do you do when you spend a top pick on a WR and he doesn't produce?  What then?  That can happen too, you know - it's not ONLY Caleb Williams who's capable of busting.
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« Reply #1687 on: December 11, 2023, 02:06:04 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 02:01:43 PM
So we’re going to omit Williams’ Heisman season from his record. Mmmmkay.

Nope, we're going to lie about what the other person's saying so we don't have to acknowledge reality I guess.

Pathetic.  You're incredibly dishonest.  Over and over and over and over and over you lie about what I'm saying to claim some meatheaded "victory".

I was curious about Caleb Williams' WR room THIS YEAR, because THIS YEAR you believe his draft stock dropped from "best prospect since Peyton Manning" to "likely to bust".  His WR room THIS YEAR is nothing special by any accounting as far as I can tell, but you can't just say that because acknowledging it would make you look like a complete moron - so instead you start talking about guys he had LAST year.  When I point out that I didn't ask about last year, I asked about this year for a reason, you do the stupid "SO LAST YEAR DOESN'T COUNT!!?!" thing.

Damn near every post you make you simply ignore what is said to you, extrapolate some stretchy and obviously unreasonable take from it, attribute that take to the other person, and declare victory.  It's just lying, flat out.  You're lying to try to win an argument about football.
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« Reply #1688 on: December 11, 2023, 02:13:00 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:42:03 PM
Granted, this is from a fantasy perspective, but the difference in production is stark. You think giving Fields MHJ doesn’t help? GTFOH

Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:55:23 PM
He was on the team the year Caleb Williams won the Heisman Trophy and became “the next generational” quarterback. So we’re not counting Williams’ Heisman year as part of his college production? Weird stipulation.

Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 01:56:52 PM
Why do you hate Jalen Hurts?

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MHJ isn’t a sure thing. Lol

I guess not.

But Caleb Williams is!

Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 02:01:43 PM
So we’re going to omit Williams’ Heisman season from his record. Mmmmkay.


FIVE TIMES in the last two pages (~30 minutes), you have made up incredibly obvious strawmen to argue against instead of replying to the things I actually said in my posts.  Five times in a half hour.

Gee, I wonder why people get so fucking tired of "discussing" these things with you?  A true fucking mystery.



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« Reply #1689 on: December 11, 2023, 02:20:38 PM »
From now on, any time you use an obvious strawman I am going to ask “did I say that?” and I’m not going to keep talking about it until you acknowledge that I did not.

I am incredibly tired of the never ending strawmen.
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« Reply #1690 on: December 11, 2023, 02:28:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 02:03:52 PM
Nope, but nobody does the "just make up a strawman" thing like you do bud.  Why argue against what someone says when you can just make up something they didn't say and argue that instead?

I have been pretty clear on whether there's such a thing as a "sure thing" in the NFL draft.  cReDibLE pEoPlE AgReE WiTh Me!

MHJ looks like a great prospect - but so does Caleb Williams.  MHJ will rely on having a QB who can reliably get him the ball with his arms, or his production will be limited.  I have not seen indication that Justin Fields can be that guy through 35 starts.

What do you do when you spend a top pick on a WR and he doesn't produce?  What then?  That can happen too, you know - it's not ONLY Caleb Williams who's capable of busting.

You haven’t seen it, so I guess you haven’t seen DJ Moore’s splits I just posted.
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« Reply #1691 on: December 11, 2023, 02:31:05 PM »
I mean, your parameters for discussion are sometimes so ridiculous. You want to exclude Willliams’ Heisman season from his draft evaluation, and you once brought up “drops” as a source of quarterback adversity when we talked about how Justin Fields was given the worst situation in the NFL in a critical development year. Bottom 7 OL, bottom 1 receiving corps, rookie OC. But what about “drops” that Patrick Mahomes has to endure?!
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« Reply #1692 on: December 11, 2023, 02:34:07 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 02:28:22 PM
You haven’t seen it, so I guess you haven’t seen DJ Moore’s splits I just posted.

Did I say that?

I was talking about Fields’ performance this year.  Have you seen those numbers?

They are average.
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« Reply #1693 on: December 11, 2023, 02:37:33 PM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 02:31:05 PM
I mean, your parameters for discussion are sometimes so ridiculous. You want to exclude Willliams’ Heisman season from his draft evaluation, and you once brought up “drops” as a source of quarterback adversity when we talked about how Justin Fields was given the worst situation in the NFL in a critical development year. Bottom 7 OL, bottom 1 receiving corps, rookie OC. But what about “drops” that Patrick Mahomes has to endure?!

Still lying - I didn’t “exclude” his Heisman season, you made that up.  I specifically asked about his WRs this year, the year Fields fans decided he was an obvious bust.  You couldn’t answer the question honestly, because to acknowledge that Caleb Williams didn’t have anything special at WR this year doesn’t confirm your biases and you exclusively ignore or handwave the parts of reality that don’t confirm your preconception.  This is why instead of answering the question I asked, you simply moved the goalposts and answered a different question.

Of course his Heisman season counts.  It was a monster season.

Lie about someone else for a while please.  I am sick of it.
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« Reply #1694 on: December 11, 2023, 02:37:49 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 01:16:32 PM
If Joe Flacco is the kind of guy you're hoping to have at QB long term by re-signing Fields, you and I simply aren't going to agree.

He was a mediocre passer with a giant contract that resulted in a major limit on the team's roster building around him, all on the basis of a few great games at the right time.

I'd like to get an actually good QB, not pay 9 figures for "a guy".

And yet the re-signed him to another 3 year starters deal. Apparently below average passing IS sustainable! They were also a playoff team much of that time IIRC
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