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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1605 on: December 11, 2023, 08:30:13 AM »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1606 on: December 11, 2023, 08:30:53 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:29:49 AM
I’m talking about the two previous seasons when Lamar wasn’t a particularly good passer.

They were about on par with Fields’ best year yet as a passer.  So is that good enough, or no?
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« Reply #1607 on: December 11, 2023, 08:31:13 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 08:17:13 AM
Has Fields ever made a pro bowl?

I see we're back to “it’s unreasonable to have expected to see more improvement from Fields as a passer because of his teammates”

No, just like everyone else on his offense. Zero pro bowls, and zero excuses!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1608 on: December 11, 2023, 08:32:00 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 08:30:53 AM
They were about on par with Fields’ best year yet as a passer.  So is that good enough, or no?

So two full years of being about on par with Justin Fields gets you 200 million. Not bad.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1609 on: December 11, 2023, 08:32:39 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 08:30:53 AM
They were about on par with Fields’ best year yet as a passer.  So is that good enough, or no?

Ask the people that paid him 200 million dollars.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1610 on: December 11, 2023, 08:33:25 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:30:13 AM
My sphincter.

Yes you certainly are talking out your ass. What you’re basing it on is hope and that you want him to be good at passing. Reality says that’s just not the case. The actual evidence proves our point that you’re in fantasy land.
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« Reply #1611 on: December 11, 2023, 08:35:50 AM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 11, 2023, 08:33:25 AM
Yes you certainly are talking out your ass. What you’re basing it on is hope and that you want him to be good at passing. Reality says that’s just not the case. The actual evidence proves our point that you’re in fantasy land.

I had not heard this theory. Very enlightening.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1612 on: December 11, 2023, 08:37:11 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:35:50 AM
I had not heard this theory. Very enlightening.

I was wondering. It’s funny you say that because it does seem obvious and you can’t see to grasp it. Almost like you’re not in reality and then saying we’re the crazy ones.
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« Reply #1613 on: December 11, 2023, 08:39:37 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:32:00 AM
So two full years of being about on par with Justin Fields gets you 200 million. Not bad.

Uh, no.  The years you’re talking about as disappointments for Lamar are about on par with the best Fields has been.  Lamar’s peak is far, far higher obviously - he is a former NFL MVP.

I’m legitimately shocked you really want to compare these two guys.  When I compared Fields to guys like Jared Goff you acted like that was absurdly unfair
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« Reply #1614 on: December 11, 2023, 08:40:47 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:32:39 AM
Ask the people that paid him 200 million dollars.

He got paid that much because he’s shown the ability to be an awful lot better than that.

If Fields was a former NFL MVP this conversation probably looks different yeah?  But instead his peak thusfar is to play at a similar level you’re mocking Lamar Jackson for.
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« Reply #1615 on: December 11, 2023, 08:41:56 AM »
Lamar is clearly more accomplished and has stretches of better passing (he’s also had a couple of Pro Bowlers helping him!), but I’m surprised you’re so willing to write off two full seasons of back to back below average passing.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1616 on: December 11, 2023, 08:43:08 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 11, 2023, 08:40:47 AM
He got paid that much because he’s shown the ability to be an awful lot better than that.

If Fields was a former NFL MVP this conversation probably looks different yeah?  But instead his peak thusfar is to play at a similar level you’re mocking Lamar Jackson for.

I’m mocking your take more than his passing.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1617 on: December 11, 2023, 08:46:58 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:41:56 AM
Lamar is clearly more accomplished and has stretches of better passing (he’s also had a couple of Pro Bowlers helping him!), but I’m surprised you’re so willing to write off two full seasons of back to back below average passing.

I mean, they’re certainly disappointing from a guy who’s shown the ability to be a lot better than that and play at an MVP level.  My guess is, if those two seasons were the best Lamar’s been instead of the worst, he not only wouldn’t have gotten a huge deal but they would’ve moved on a while ago.  But they weren’t.

You’re here BRAGGING on a similar season from a guy who hasn’t shown that ability yet -  a wild difference in standards between the two guys.  One guy it’s his peak so far and for that guy it’s amazing improvement and they should keep him, potentially pay him a ton of money a year from now.  The other guy it’s his valley so far and that guy it’s a big disappointment given how much they paid him.  It’s not even internally consistent logic.

DJ Moore is going to make a pro bowl this year (despite likely not having a pro bowl QB throwing to him!).
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« Reply #1618 on: December 11, 2023, 08:49:01 AM »
Quote from: Can’t Miss Quarterback on December 11, 2023, 08:43:08 AM
I’m mocking your take more than his passing.

You’re certainly trying to mock me.  I’d say your efficacy is pretty questionable.

You ended up comparing Fields to Lamar Jackson as a way to fluff up Fields.  That isn’t going to work out well for Fields, obviously.

If you want me to acknowledge that in Lamar’s worst years he was a similarly average-to-below passer as Fields has been in his best year, I will.  I don’t get how that’s a point for Fields though.

The best Fields has been so far is pretty similar to the worst Lamar has been so far as a passer. Acknowledged.
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« Reply #1619 on: December 11, 2023, 08:54:24 AM »
No, I wasn’t trying to “fluff up Fields” so much as point out that apparently very extended stretches of “below average passing” is apparently at least semi-sustainable, and can even help you get rich.
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