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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1515 on: December 10, 2023, 11:49:35 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 11:45:06 AM
Anyway, I am done with the “can’t miss” debate because there will be no resolution and that conversation sucks. I do find humor in a “can’t miss” quarterback being the 4th quarterback taken off the board behind 6 non-quarterbacks though.

Guess you know more about playing QB than Troy Aikman.
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« Reply #1516 on: December 10, 2023, 11:52:38 AM »
Sounds like Troy had his UCLA colored glasses on. Also said it was “unfair” to compare Rosen to Jay Cutler. Lol
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1517 on: December 10, 2023, 11:53:25 AM »
The best passing quarterback ever was the 4th quarterback taken off the board.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1518 on: December 10, 2023, 11:54:06 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 11:43:00 AM
I don’t recall Leaf being a “can’t miss.” I remember GMs being tantalized by his upside. Ultimately Peyton Manning was deemed the more “can’t miss,” as he was picked first. As I remember it, it was the certainty of Manning vs the upside of Leaf.

Wonder what the guy who made that choice has to say about it?

"And Polian said while there is no such thing on draft day as a "can't miss'' player, and while the Colts emphasize production in the process, he said the importance of "measurable" data in selecting players is impossible to overestimate."

https://www.colts.com/news/a-deep-group-5211202
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« Reply #1519 on: December 10, 2023, 11:54:28 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 11:53:25 AM
The best passing quarterback ever was the 4th quarterback taken off the board.

Credible people said that, yeah.

Troy Aikman IS credible regarding QB play, right?
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« Reply #1520 on: December 10, 2023, 11:55:07 AM »
Jay Cutler could do things with a football few men could ever do. Was he a “great” quarterback?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1521 on: December 10, 2023, 11:55:28 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 11:54:28 AM
Credible people said that, yeah.

Troy Aikman IS credible regarding QB play, right?

Credible enough. Not infallible.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1522 on: December 10, 2023, 11:55:54 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 11:52:38 AM
Sounds like Troy had his UCLA colored glasses on. Also said it was “unfair” to compare Rosen to Jay Cutler. Lol

You might actually be the worst debater I've ever interacted with.

The evidence you find valid shifts completely based on whether it supports or contradicts the shit you've been saying.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1523 on: December 10, 2023, 11:56:27 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 10:42:58 AM
Well if Denver were so bad you’d think Mahomes could have done more than go for 1 TD and 3 INTs and a 1-1 record.

As I’ve had to tell PAMan multiple times, the NFL isn’t fucking college. It’s a week to week league.

It's a week-to-week league except when you play Denver, apparently.
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« Reply #1524 on: December 10, 2023, 11:56:34 AM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 11:55:28 AM
Credible enough. Not infallible.

Well you certainly didn't mind using something he said to try to invalidate MY opinion, but when he says something that didn't turn out true it's "well he's not infallible."  No shit.  No draft evaluation is infallible.  My exact fucking point, to a T.  Can't miss prospect is some shit you say LATER, when the guy DIDN'T miss.  The guys who get that said about them before the draft miss regularly - and then since they miss, you say "well they weren't can't miss prospects!".  It's recursive, laughable logic.

Credible people thought Josh Rosen was the best they'd ever seen at throwing the football.  Fact.
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« Reply #1525 on: December 10, 2023, 12:03:24 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 10, 2023, 11:56:27 AM
It's a week-to-week league except when you play Denver, apparently.

Mahomes had two shots and put up much worse numbers than Fields. Is what it is.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1526 on: December 10, 2023, 12:04:53 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 11:56:34 AM
Well you certainly didn't mind using something he said to try to invalidate MY opinion,

And here is where you have it dead wrong. I wasn’t trying to INVALIDATE your opinion. I was trying to validate opinions that disagree with yours.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1527 on: December 10, 2023, 12:04:55 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 12:03:24 PM
Mahomes had two shots and put up much worse numbers than Fields. Is what it is.

So is Denver a good passing defense?

If you start typing anything other than "yes" or "no", stop.  It's a yes or no question.
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« Reply #1528 on: December 10, 2023, 12:06:09 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 10, 2023, 12:04:53 PM
And here is where you have it dead wrong. I wasn’t trying to INVALIDATE your opinion. I was trying to validate opinions that disagree with yours.

You were pretty transparently appealing to Troy Aikman's authority as a former QB to try to invalidate mine.  You even gave the snarky "and I think he knows a little bit about playing QB" line.
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« Reply #1529 on: December 10, 2023, 12:09:20 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 10, 2023, 12:06:09 PM
You were pretty transparently appealing to Troy Aikman's authority as a former QB to try to invalidate mine.  You even gave the snarky "and I think he knows a little bit about playing QB" line.

No, I’ve said multiple times over the last few days that I get the case against Fields and why they’d move on. I just disagree with it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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