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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1395 on: December 09, 2023, 04:15:58 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 04:11:29 PM
5) receivers were abysmal

Does Getsy get to use these excuses to justify his performance too?  Why or why not?

For all the “receivers are abysmal” talk, Mooney is a former 1000 yard guy from Dalton/Fields, Allen Robinson is a former 1000 yard guy from Trubisky, Claypool was over 800 a couple times with an ancient Roethlisberger, Goodwin was over 900 with Beathard/Hoyer/Jimmy G.

Far from a murderers row, of course, but these guys have had some productive years too.
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« Reply #1396 on: December 09, 2023, 04:19:13 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 04:15:41 PM
Lamar wasn’t a particuarly reliable passer the previous two years.

The way to employ Fields is to move the pocket and let him improvise. The Bears don’t consistently try to do that. Getsy calls plays for him like he’s 39 year old Aaron Rodgers.

I think they’ve let him improvise quite a bit honestly.  He tends to fumble, run into sacks, and throw picks in those situations often.  He also gains rushing yards, but just has never shown the ability to pass consistently.
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« Reply #1397 on: December 09, 2023, 04:20:25 PM »
And you keep doing that until he has time to mature and improve on his weaknesses. Developing a quarterback, especially a highly athletic one is like painting a mural. It takes patience and many many brush strokes.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1398 on: December 09, 2023, 04:21:30 PM »
He also avoids a lot of sacks.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1399 on: December 09, 2023, 04:23:09 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 04:19:13 PM
I think they’ve let him improvise quite a bit honestly.  He tends to fumble, run into sacks, and throw picks in those situations often.  He also gains rushing yards, but just has never shown the ability to pass consistently.

The plays he struggles most are obvious passing downs and defenders often run free at the quarterback. We’ve seen it multpile times this year. That’s when he’s been at his worst.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1400 on: December 09, 2023, 04:24:31 PM »
I agree.  When everyone knows he needs to pass he has been mostly horrible.

I think that’s a bigger problem than you seem to.
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« Reply #1401 on: December 09, 2023, 04:26:35 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 04:21:30 PM
He also avoids a lot of sacks.

He had the worst sack rate in the league his first two years and is second behind Daniel Jones this year.  He obviously isn’t THAT good at avoiding them.  And he often creates them even when he is given time to throw.
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« Reply #1402 on: December 09, 2023, 04:26:53 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 04:24:31 PM
I agree.  When everyone knows he needs to pass he has been mostly horrible.

I think that’s a bigger problem than you seem to.

Wouldn’t hurt if he had better protection and better play-calling.  Hutchinson ran right by Wright. And remember when Getsy called 3 RB screens in a row against Tampa to end the game? Good times!
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1403 on: December 09, 2023, 04:27:50 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 04:26:35 PM
He had the worst sack rate in the league his first two years and is second behind Daniel Jones this year.  He obviously isn’t THAT good at avoiding them.  And he often creates them even when he is given time to throw.

Joe Burrow took a lot of sacks at one time.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1404 on: December 09, 2023, 04:28:41 PM »
But yeah, that’s something he needs to get better at. And has. The numbers bear that out, still could be better.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1405 on: December 09, 2023, 04:31:38 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 04:26:53 PM
Wouldn’t hurt if he had better protection and better play-calling.  Hutchinson ran right by Wright. And remember when Getsy called 3 RB screens in a row against Tampa to end the game? Good times!

Do you really not see how EVERY SINGLE TIME you come up with an excuse?

Like I was literally agreeing with a thing you said - that in situations where he needs to pass Fields has been bad - and your response was to fire off two consecutive excuses for why him being bad in those situations isn’t actually his fault.
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« Reply #1406 on: December 09, 2023, 04:32:30 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 04:28:41 PM
But yeah, that’s something he needs to get better at. And has. The numbers bear that out, still could be better.

Which numbers?

Last I saw his clutch time and 2nd/3rd and long numbers were absolutely horrendous.
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« Reply #1407 on: December 09, 2023, 04:33:32 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 04:31:38 PM
Do you really not see how EVERY SINGLE TIME you come up with an excuse?

Like I was literally agreeing with a thing you said - that in situations where he needs to pass Fields has been bad - and your response was to fire off two consecutive excuses for why him being bad in those situations isn’t actually his fault.

Every. Single. Time.

He can’t be fumbling twice against Minnesota in the 4th. I blame George McCaskey.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1408 on: December 09, 2023, 04:37:16 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 04:32:30 PM
Which numbers?

Last I saw his clutch time and 2nd/3rd and long numbers were absolutely horrendous.

I’ve heard it said multiple times by people who should know such things. He had the 3 lowest sack rates of his season in the last 4 games. The exception was Minnesota who blitzes 30% above league average.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1409 on: December 09, 2023, 04:42:23 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 04:32:30 PM
Which numbers?

Last I saw his clutch time and 2nd/3rd and long numbers were absolutely horrendous.

Bet the blocking clutch time numbers are horrendous, too.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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