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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1335 on: December 09, 2023, 01:59:06 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 01:51:04 PM
Is Fields a consistently excellent passer? No. Has he shown he can hurt you with the pass. Absolutely. That shouldn’t even be up for debate. He struggles with consistency, not ability.

In 34 starts he's thrown more than 2 TD three times.  He's thrown more than 300 yards once.

He's shown he can hurt you with the pass once per season's worth of games.  He hasn't shown more than that though.  Maybe he will, but he hasn't yet.

The problem is that he has consistently not produced as a passer, which is why you're so bullish on the potential shown in those two games and willing to make excuses why the other 32 games don't count as much.
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« Reply #1336 on: December 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 01:59:06 PM
In 34 starts he's thrown more than 2 TD three times.  He's thrown more than 300 yards once.

He's shown he can hurt you with the pass once per season's worth of games.  He hasn't shown more than that though.  Maybe he will, but he hasn't yet.

The problem is that he has consistently not produced as a passer, which is why you're so bullish on the potential shown in those two games and willing to make excuses why the other 32 games don't count as much.

He literally had a fucking practice squad around him last year and was saddled with a rookie OC who struggled with figuring out how to use him. And still does. I know, I know, “no excuses.” 
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« Reply #1337 on: December 09, 2023, 02:01:06 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 01:58:30 PM
Justin definitely isn’t a consistently good passer, but he’s shown improvement and he’s shown he can beat you with his arm. He definitely needs to be more consistent, though. He’s been that since week 4.

And since week 6 he's shown why people are hesitant to do the "he's turned the corner!" thing.

2.5 games, 444 yards (177.6ish per game, counting the half game as half), 1 TD 1 INT.  85.7 passer rating.

Your entire argument rests on the Denver game when Denver had given up 70 a week before, and the Washington game when Washington is the worst passing defense in the league.  It's cherry picking a tiny sample.
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« Reply #1338 on: December 09, 2023, 02:02:24 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 02:00:58 PM
He literally had a fucking practice squad around him last year and was saddled with rookie OC who struggled with figuring out how to use him. And still does. I know, I know, “no excuses.”

If you only want to cherry pick the 2 games he played well and not count the other 32 be my guest.  I reserve the right to point out that that's fucking stupid.

He's shown the ability to be a quality passing QB in the same way that Mitch Trubisky did, which is to say: for an extremely short stretch against bad defenses, and never with the consistency needed.

He has more starts with passer ratings under 65 than over 100.
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« Reply #1339 on: December 09, 2023, 02:03:27 PM »
Jordan Love is better.
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« Reply #1340 on: December 09, 2023, 02:08:03 PM »
He was throwing to:

2023:

Byron Pringle 13 catches
Nkeal Harry 0 catches in 2023
Dante Pettis: out of league
EQ St. Brown: back end of roster guy
Darnell Mooney: missed much of last season, unlikely to be re-signed
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1341 on: December 09, 2023, 02:08:43 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 09, 2023, 02:03:27 PM
Jordan Love is better.

Over the last few starts, sure.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1342 on: December 09, 2023, 02:09:23 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Over the last few starts, sure.

We can use a two game sample size, can’t we?
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« Reply #1343 on: December 09, 2023, 02:11:29 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 02:01:06 PM
And since week 6 he's shown why people are hesitant to do the "he's turned the corner!" thing.

2.5 games, 444 yards (177.6ish per game, counting the half game as half), 1 TD 1 INT.  85.7 passer rating.

Your entire argument rests on the Denver game when Denver had given up 70 a week before, and the Washington game when Washington is the worst passing defense in the league.  It's cherry picking a tiny sample.

Patrick Mahomes I think had 1 TD and 3 INTs and a loss against Denver around the same time frame in TWO games.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1344 on: December 09, 2023, 02:13:28 PM »
Quote from: Judge Judy on December 09, 2023, 02:09:23 PM
We can use a two game sample size, can’t we?

Well people here are saying he CAN’T pass. Those games are proof otherwise. Is he consistent enough? I never even tried to say he is.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1345 on: December 09, 2023, 02:14:37 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 02:08:03 PM
He was throwing to:

2023:

Byron Pringle 13 catches
Nkeal Harry 0 catches in 2023
Dante Pettis: out of league
EQ St. Brown: back end of roster guy
Darnell Mooney: missed much of last season, unlikely to be re-signed

And his line sucked balls.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1346 on: December 09, 2023, 02:20:38 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 02:11:29 PM
Patrick Mahomes I think had 1 TD and 3 INTs and a loss against Denver around the same time frame in TWO games.

Just want to remind you when I made a point about sample size re: Mitch Trubisky you lied and screamed 'YOU WANT TO COMPARE TRUBISKY TO MAHOMES!!?/!!!/!!11!" about it for literal years.  You still bring it up sometimes.  So do you really want to compare Fields to Mahomes?  If that sort of thing were the norm for Mahomes instead of the outlier, he'd be viewed very differently.  The same goes for Fields, but the game he had against Denver is the outlier, not the norm, to this point.

I'm sure there's some excuse for why it wasn't his fault, but Fields also fumbled (it was returned for a TD), turned it over on downs, and threw a pick in the last seven minutes of that Broncos game.  Three times they had the ball with a chance to make a play and seal a win, and three times Fields gave it back to them resulting in 10 points for a 3 point loss.

Denver is 11th worst in the league in passing yards against, and 6th worst in passing TD against.  Washington is dead last in both categories.
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« Reply #1347 on: December 09, 2023, 02:21:04 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 02:14:37 PM
And his line sucked balls.

And his mom was sick, and he was up late because he'd just gotten a new dog and had to train him, and he had a papercut.
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« Reply #1348 on: December 09, 2023, 02:22:03 PM »
Quote from: Troy Aikman’s Lackey on December 09, 2023, 02:13:28 PM
Well people here are saying he CAN’T pass. Those games are proof otherwise. Is he consistent enough? I never even tried to say he is.

Nope, nobody's ever said that.

People here are pointing out that your two game stretch sample size is an outlier in Justin Fields' career so far against bad defenses, and that he has never shown that he can be an effective passer with even a small amount of consistency.  Even since his big turn around he's been an average or below QB.
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« Reply #1349 on: December 09, 2023, 02:33:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 02:20:38 PM
Just want to remind you when I made a point about sample size re: Mitch Trubisky you lied and screamed 'YOU WANT TO COMPARE TRUBISKY TO MAHOMES!!?/!!!/!!11!" about it for literal years.  You still bring it up sometimes.  So do you really want to compare Fields to Mahomes?  If that sort of thing were the norm for Mahomes instead of the outlier, he'd be viewed very differently.  The same goes for Fields, but the game he had against Denver is the outlier, not the norm, to this point.

I'm sure there's some excuse for why it wasn't his fault, but Fields also fumbled (it was returned for a TD), turned it over on downs, and threw a pick in the last seven minutes of that Broncos game.  Three times they had the ball with a chance to make a play and seal a win, and three times Fields gave it back to them resulting in 10 points for a 3 point loss.

Denver is 11th worst in the league in passing yards against, and 6th worst in passing TD against.  Washington is dead last in both categories.

Lol I was comparing performances against the same team in games within a few weeks of each other. Of course, I’m not saying Fields is better than Mahomes. Or am I?
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