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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #1170 on: December 08, 2023, 09:52:57 PM »
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« Reply #1171 on: December 08, 2023, 09:54:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 09:51:35 PM
ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS SHOW THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE VALID OPINION.

That was never at issue, though.
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« Reply #1172 on: December 08, 2023, 09:55:30 PM »
Spark, you have pretty much gone out of your way to give any credence to the BELIEF that the Bears should keep Fields.
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« Reply #1173 on: December 08, 2023, 09:56:36 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 09:54:36 PM
That was never at issue, though.

Yes it was. I have said multiple times the case to move on from Fields is understandable. Have you ever conceded the case to keep him is the same? If so, I missed it.
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« Reply #1174 on: December 08, 2023, 10:00:03 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 09:55:30 PM
Spark, you have pretty much gone out of your way to give any credence to the BELIEF that the Bears should keep Fields.

I don't know what this means.

Based on what I've seen so far, I don't believe the Bears should keep Fields.  Some people agree with me.

You and others don't.  I've never said that's invalid, I just don't agree with you.  That's okay.

In what way would I "give credence" to that belief?  It's a valid belief, I just don't agree with it.
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« Reply #1175 on: December 08, 2023, 10:01:07 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 09:56:36 PM
Yes it was. I have said multiple times the case to move on from Fields is understandable. Have you ever conceded the case to keep him is the same? If so, I missed it.

I don't really find it understandable, no, but that doesn't mean it's not a valid opinion or won't happen.

I see the talent with Fields, obviously, I just think in the situation the Bears are in giving him a fourth year is a mistake.  For all the talent he has rarely been a good NFL quarterback.
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« Reply #1176 on: December 08, 2023, 10:03:47 PM »
Well that’s all it took, because every time I tried to make the case they could/should stick with him you mentioned you’d “seen enough, and no amount of excuses or whatever else” could make you reconsider.
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« Reply #1177 on: December 08, 2023, 10:07:26 PM »
He'd have to be pretty damn good these last 5 games for me to think they should keep him, yeah.

Certainly better than he's been for a 5 game stretch so far in his career.
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« Reply #1178 on: December 08, 2023, 10:28:18 PM »
But multiple people at the HQ2 have seen enough.

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« Reply #1179 on: December 08, 2023, 10:32:07 PM »
He talks about Fields about halfway through.

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« Reply #1180 on: December 08, 2023, 11:08:40 PM »
And I’m not saying Roquan is the ultimate authority on what to do with Fields, but again, saying “I’ve seen enough (outside of 5 really terrific games to end the season) might be totally discounting what people like Ryan Poles, Matt Eberflus, and Roquan Smith have seen on a daily basis (and not just on game day and the stat sheet).
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« Reply #1181 on: December 08, 2023, 11:10:40 PM »
I'm comfortable disagreeing with some well-known football guys (and agreeing with others), but if you want me to pretend to agree with you I will.

At the end of the day, what matters is how he plays in the actual games.
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« Reply #1182 on: December 08, 2023, 11:32:16 PM »
But again, as Kreutz would say; part of the evaluation process for management is: do they like his work ethic, do they like the way he prepares, do they like his leadership, do they see improvement on daily/weekly basis (that fans might not see), do they think he’ll be better when the roster is upgraded further? That all goes into the evaluation. Maybe Poles isn’t finished with “the excuses tour?” It’s possible. And unknowable to us. Unless you’re Brad Biggs apparently.
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« Reply #1183 on: December 09, 2023, 12:02:05 AM »
All of that stuff is great, but only to the degree that it helps him perform on game day.

If he doesn't, that stuff doesn't matter.

I like that you've latched onto Brad Biggs.  That's funny.
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« Reply #1184 on: December 09, 2023, 12:19:51 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 09, 2023, 12:02:05 AM
All of that stuff is great, but only to the degree that it helps him perform on game day.

If he doesn't, that stuff doesn't matter.

I like that you've latched onto Brad Biggs.  That's funny.

It’s foolish to think that day to day things don’t matter to Ryan Poles. It’ll be part again I emphasize part of the evaluation.
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