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« Reply #1125 on: December 08, 2023, 06:21:47 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:20:57 PM
I would guess a dramatic shift one way or the other could swing things (plays great/plays terrible), but I put credence in the notion they already likely know what they will do.

Based on what?

Wouldn't that be pretty poor management?
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« Reply #1126 on: December 08, 2023, 06:24:47 PM »
As Olin Kreutz points out ALL THE TIME. It’s hard to truly evaluate people when you aren’t in the building on a daily basis. Ryan Poles and management are. They see work habits, practice habits, leadership, lots of stuff that we don’t see but only judge from a distance. I’m sure their evaluation will involve more than just how he plays the next 5 games. Or even what’s happened in the past. That’s a large part of it, but it’s still only part of it.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1127 on: December 08, 2023, 06:25:39 PM »
If they've already decided whether to keep him based on stuff other than how he's played, they're probably not the right people to be in charge.  JMO.
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« Reply #1128 on: December 08, 2023, 06:25:55 PM »
Let’s just say if he’s “fine,” the next 5 games they probably know what they will do. If he’s great or terrible, perhaps that swings the pendulum.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1129 on: December 08, 2023, 06:27:50 PM »
I'll also say that if him being "fine" the next 5 games is good enough to keep him and pass on taking a shot at one of the top QB prospects, they're also probably not the right people.

Again, JMO.
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« Reply #1130 on: December 08, 2023, 06:35:00 PM »
My opinion is that the Bears FO probably doesn't know what they will do this offseason yet, for the record.
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« Reply #1131 on: December 08, 2023, 06:44:07 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 06:27:50 PM
I'll also say that if him being "fine" the next 5 games is good enough to keep him and pass on taking a shot at one of the top QB prospects, they're also probably not the right people.

Again, JMO.

Again, we do not have a front seat as to what happens in the building the other 6 days a week. That matters too. It’s pretty funny that you think your opinion is the only valid one. Because that sure seems to be the impression I get. You have not given credence to any opinion but yours so far as I can tell.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1132 on: December 08, 2023, 06:44:48 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 06:35:00 PM
My opinion is that the Bears FO probably doesn't know what they will do this offseason yet, for the record.

It’s totally possible. And again, credible people think it could be the opposite.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1133 on: December 08, 2023, 06:50:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:44:07 PM
Again, we do not have a front seat as to what happens in the building the other 6 days a week. That matters too. It’s pretty funny that you think your opinion is the only valid one. Because that sure seems to be the impression I get. You have not given credence to any opinion but yours so far as I can tell.

I don't think my opinion is the only valid one.  I stated my opinion.  Should I not?

Seems an awful lot like your  "we don't have a front seat as to what happens in the building the other 6 days a week" comment is meant to invalidate my opinion, no?  Am I not allowed to have the opinion I have simply because I don't see what happens on the days Fields doesn't play an NFL game?

I don't know that I need to see what happens in the building the other 6 days a week to determine whether I think Fields being "fine" for five more weeks is enough to hold onto him.  Only one of the 7 days a week really matters, and that's when they play the game.

He could be Joe Montana in practice with elite work ethic and leadership, but if he doesn't produce in the games then keeping him is a mistake.
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« Reply #1134 on: December 08, 2023, 06:51:24 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 06:44:48 PM
It’s totally possible. And again, credible people think it could be the opposite.

And credible people also agree with me.  So that's where we're at.

A lot of people who have no way of knowing at all what the Bears FO are thinking have conflicting opinions about what the Bears FO are thinking.

Maybe Rees Woodcock could write an article about that.
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« Reply #1135 on: December 08, 2023, 07:08:53 PM »
I am not trying to invalidate your opinion. I’m trying to impress on you that other opinions matter, too. You seem very dismissive of any opinion that isn’t yours.

Let’s say Justin is ok, not great, not terrible the last 5 games. Which is the most likely scenario. I’m sure Poles, Eberflus, etc have opinions on Fields that include more information than we are privy to. Do they feel he’s reached his ceiling? Do they love his work ethic and his leadership? Do they feel he will continue to improve if they continue to build around him? None of this is knowable to you. And you are pretty much completely discounting it by what your mostly untrained eyes see on Sundays and on stat sheets.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1136 on: December 08, 2023, 07:11:15 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 08, 2023, 06:51:24 PM
And credible people also agree with me.  So that's where we're at.

A lot of people who have no way of knowing at all what the Bears FO are thinking have conflicting opinions about what the Bears FO are thinking.

Maybe Rees Woodcock could write an article about that.

Right, and I’m betting Aikman has been around an NFL GM or two and knows how they generally function.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #1137 on: December 08, 2023, 07:12:28 PM »
I'm not dismissive, I just disagree with them.  That's what an opinion is, after all.  I would say that comment about "being in the building 6 days a week" is far more dismissive of my opinion than I've been about anyone else's, your own sensitivity notwithstanding.

I'm saying that if they decide to keep a QB who has been mediocre to bad thus far because he is "fine" the last 5 games - plus they see him working hard at practice - that would be a mistake IMO.  I'm not invalidating - or even critiquing - anyone else's opinion whatsoever, I'm stating my own.

My opinion doesn't even matter, those other guys have to make the decision.  I just reserve the right to have my own opinion based on his performance in the actual games, and that seems to upset you.
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« Reply #1138 on: December 08, 2023, 07:14:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo Horsecockington on December 08, 2023, 07:11:15 PM

Right, and I’m betting Aikman has been around an NFL GM or two and knows how they generally function.

How is this relevant?

Do you think it makes his opinion more relevant than mine despite him having an identical level of visibility into the Bears FO's thought processes to me?

Was his opinion more credible than yours when he said Trubisky was a franchise QB, or is it only credible now that he's saying something you agree with?  He had been around the NFL and seen good QBs at that point too.

You're back to pretending my opinion is invalid because a guy who played QB 20 30 years ago and has been wrong about countless things said something you agree with.
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« Reply #1139 on: December 08, 2023, 07:15:26 PM »
I'm actually curious on this.  In terms of who probably has a better grasp on what the Bears FO is thinking, do you think it's Brad Biggs or Troy Aikman?  One of them agrees with you, and the other one doesn't.
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