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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #825 on: December 04, 2023, 06:37:33 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 06:35:13 PM
Derek Carr has a worse passer rating than Fields. And an established roster with multiple legitimate weapons.

And when you take the entirety of playing the position - rushing yards (which should be a boon for Fields - that's why I used QBR), sacks, etc. - he has a better rating.

He has been comparable to Fields no matter how you spin it.  I wouldn't sign him for $100m either, even if he were 25 or whatever.

I knew you'd nitpick it though.  What a fuckin waste of time you are.

If you think Fields has been good enough, you and I have very different standards.  Let's leave it at that.
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« Reply #826 on: December 04, 2023, 06:39:25 PM »
Unless my eyes are failing (don’t have my readers on) Minshews passer rating is like 9 points worse than Fields. He has good weapons like Pittman, Downs, Taylor. And plays in a dome, which is more conducive to compiling stats. It is a near miracle what they are doing as a team, though.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #827 on: December 04, 2023, 06:40:17 PM »
Hell, Alec Pierce is a talent. He’d probably be the Bears’ #2.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #828 on: December 04, 2023, 06:40:53 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 06:37:33 PM
And when you take the entirety of playing the position - rushing yards (which should be a boon for Fields - that's why I used QBR), sacks, etc. - he has a better rating.

He has been comparable to Fields no matter how you spin it.  I wouldn't sign him for $100m either, even if he were 25 or whatever.

I knew you'd nitpick it though.  What a fuckin waste of time you are.

If you think Fields has been good enough, you and I have very different standards.  Let's leave it at that.

I cited passer rating. Not QBR
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #829 on: December 04, 2023, 06:41:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 06:33:23 PM
It was a good idea to fire mass shots with lots of “supporting data” instead of just providing a few names. All of the credible names you listed are established veterans who’ve been to Super Bowls.

Lol as is Josh Dobbs and Sam Howell would be good enough for you to forget about Caleb Williams.

Oh, did I say that about Caleb Williams?

Or did you just make it up entirely and attribute it to me?


Yes, I usually find it a good idea to support the claims I make with data and evidence.  Wild, I know.  But I get why you don't in this instance, obviously - your entire argument relies on completely ignoring all the data for external reasons.


I agree, it sucks that those guys are playing about as well as our QB.  I can't imagine wanting to pay $100m for that level of play personally, but here we are.
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« Reply #830 on: December 04, 2023, 06:41:14 PM »
And that includes Fields. first few games which were abysmal.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #831 on: December 04, 2023, 06:42:14 PM »
“About as well as our QB.” There’s a sea change on the narrative.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #832 on: December 04, 2023, 06:42:37 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 06:40:53 PM
I cited passer rating. Not QBR

You didn't cite shit, frankly.  It was my claim and my list.

You want to talk about passer rating now, of course, because all these mediocre ass QBs have better total QBRs than Fields does - and the ENTIRETY of this argument is dedicated to you defending Justin Fields' performance by any means necessary.

Next time you ask me to take my time to put together a stupid list right now, remember - this is why I am going to say no.  You're not interested.
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« Reply #833 on: December 04, 2023, 06:43:07 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 06:42:14 PM
“About as well as our QB.” There’s a sea change on the narrative.

Huh?

You're saying we should pay a guy who's playing, in his best season by far, about as well as Joshua Dobbs and Sam Howell a hundred million dollars.
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« Reply #834 on: December 04, 2023, 06:44:13 PM »
“Good quarterbacks overcome, and play about as well as our quarterback (Justin Fields)!”

Now please go ahead and tell me I’m misrepresenting what you said.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #835 on: December 04, 2023, 06:45:22 PM »
You know what, Tempo, nevermind.

There's obviously no point at which you hold Fields accountable.  That could not possibly be more clear - you are a Merryman in the late Weber days.  No evidence could sway your view even a little bit.  You will be ranting about OL injuries and Luke Getsy 10 years from now when Fields is long gone.

I'll see you in another year or so to rehash all this, you can tell me about how he had an OLineman miss four games so you can't count the 2024 performance against him either.
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« Reply #836 on: December 04, 2023, 06:49:25 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 06:43:07 PM
Huh?

You're saying we should pay a guy who's playing, in his best season by far, about as well as Joshua Dobbs and Sam Howell a hundred million dollars.

You mean the QBs Justin Fields beat the pants off of on the road?

You’re praising Derek Carr a 10 year veteran for playing “about as well” as Justin Fields.

Yes, I am taking into account that Justin Fields was given the absolute worst situation in football last year (only Davis Mills’ was comparable), and that it might take some time to incorporate 30 new teammates as they have battled through injuries. Injuries that also cost him a month after he had turned a corner. I know, I know, “bad half against Minnesota!”

« Last Edit: December 04, 2023, 06:54:33 PM by Tempo34 »
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #837 on: December 04, 2023, 06:49:46 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 06:44:13 PM
“Good quarterbacks overcome, and play about as well as our quarterback (Justin Fields)!”

No please go ahead and tell me I’m misrepresenting what you said.

I was trying to keep it to guys that I thought were even remotely fair to compare Justin Fields to.  If you don't think the top QBs have had injuries etc. you're crazy - I didn't list them because I don't think it's fair to compare Justin Fields to guys like Hurts and Mahomes.

But it doesn't matter - you legitimately don't care that you misrepresent me so often.  In fact, you seem to like it - you've certainly never given one second to listen to me or try to stop lying.  This place, to you, is just a place to word vomit all over and try to "win points" by beating up strawmen.  I'm done with it.  Enjoy hanging with PAMan - I'm sick of the dishonesty.

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« Reply #838 on: December 04, 2023, 06:49:51 PM »
A half in which he went 6 for 10. Totally a disaster!
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« Reply #839 on: December 04, 2023, 06:51:05 PM »
It’s hilarious how punitively we view a 10 pass half against a team that blitzes 30% more the league average.
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