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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #750 on: December 04, 2023, 04:12:51 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:05:30 PM
Huh?  You were just saying how you wouldn’t move him for less than a first (or close).  Nobody’s gonna give the Bears that I assume.

He might get a late 2nd or 3rd round pick from a QB starved team to give him a show me year.

That pick could easily be another Velus Jones or Dan Bazuin. I’d rather exhaust all possibilities on Fields. It’s worth the “risk” IMO.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #751 on: December 04, 2023, 04:14:19 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:10:54 PM
You don’t seem to acknowledge that. I’ve heard you use the work “excuses” a lot.

Do you not find it interesting the Bears are playing much better the last 8 games now that they’re healthier and had some continuity?

Well yes - I’ve seen you make a stunning number of excuses for Justin Fields’ play in this discussion.  Quite literally 100% of the time someone criticizes him.

The Bears offense looked horrendous in the most recent game they played.  What is your basis for saying they look so much better?  They look like the same inconsistent unit they’ve been. 

They can have a good game, and then a terrible game.  He can get 300 yards passing and 4 TD against Washington and then look terrible before he gets hurt against Minnesota.

This is still as true as it ever was.

For all the talk of a turnaround, the offense has looked terrible in 3 of the last 6 games Justin Fields has played.
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« Reply #752 on: December 04, 2023, 04:15:45 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:12:51 PM
That pick could easily be another Velus Jones or Dan Bazuin. I’d rather exhaust all possibilities on Fields. It’s worth the “risk” IMO.

Why take any draft picks ever if you’re always this scared of picking a bust?

The thing is, you’re not always this scared.  This attitude you’re showing here is about Fields, not the draft pick.
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« Reply #753 on: December 04, 2023, 04:17:05 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:09:53 PM
And I’m not willing to use your laundry list to excuse that poor play because he isn’t in a perfect situation.  Every team drops balls.  Every team has key injuries.  The good QBs find ways to keep playing well.  He has not done that so far.

So you “acknowledge” the injuries (and how they impact a team in total rebuild), but not really. Which “good quarterbacks” specifically are you referring to?
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« Reply #754 on: December 04, 2023, 04:18:26 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:15:45 PM
Why take any draft picks ever if you’re always this scared of picking a bust?

The thing is, you’re not always this scared.  This attitude you’re showing here is about Fields, not the draft pick.

I care about his upside at the position and how it could transform the Bears. Not a 2nd day pick.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #755 on: December 04, 2023, 04:19:02 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:15:45 PM
Why take any draft picks ever if you’re always this scared of picking a bust?

The thing is, you’re not always this scared.  This attitude you’re showing here is about Fields, not the draft pick.

Again, all this proves is that this is all about Tempo being proven right about Fields and zero about the Bears.

If you cannot trust your GM with 2 top 10 picks to draft a competent QB, why is he the GM?
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« Reply #756 on: December 04, 2023, 04:19:13 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:17:05 PM
So you “acknowledge” the injuries (and how they impact a team in total rebuild), but not really. Which “good quarterbacks” specifically are you referring to?

I acknowledge that injuries can hurt a team, yeah of course.  Jamar Smith and Carlwell being simultaneously injured hurt Weber too.

I don’t accept it as an excuse in the way you’re wanting to use it.
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« Reply #757 on: December 04, 2023, 04:20:31 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:18:26 PM
I care about his upside at the position and how it could transform the Bears. Not a 2nd day pick.

Paying for upside is how you end up with a terrible team.

He needs to be productive to justify keeping him.  Not potentially productive, if his supporting cast was great and his OC was calling great plays and the OL was healthy and played together as a unit all year.  He needs to produce.

Paying him $100m severely limits what the Bears can do with the rest of their roster.  If they are going to do it, they cannot do it based on upside.
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« Reply #758 on: December 04, 2023, 04:21:02 PM »
John Lynch and Mike Shanahan busted badly on a QB high in the first round. Fire them?
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« Reply #759 on: December 04, 2023, 04:22:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
John Lynch and Mike Shanahan busted badly on a QB high in the first round. Fire them?

I thought Shanahan did not want Lance. They definitely got bailed out by Purdy.
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« Reply #760 on: December 04, 2023, 04:23:23 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:21:02 PM
John Lynch and Mike Shanahan busted badly on a QB high in the first round. Fire them?

Well yeah - if they were smart they’d have been happy to pay a guy who’s never consistently been above average instead of taking the huge risk of picking a guy with a high pick.  No good GM would actually pick someone high - after all what if they bust?
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« Reply #761 on: December 04, 2023, 04:26:45 PM »
If he can’t find a quality quarterback high in rhe 1st round, fire him now. PATHETIC. Throw him on the BUST pile with Montez Sweat.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #762 on: December 04, 2023, 04:27:30 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
Well yeah - if they were smart they’d have been happy to pay a guy who’s never consistently been above average instead of taking the huge risk of picking a guy with a high pick.  No good GM would actually pick someone high - after all what if they bust?

That obviously went over your head.
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« Reply #763 on: December 04, 2023, 04:29:23 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 04, 2023, 04:22:51 PM
I thought Shanahan did not want Lance. They definitely got bailed out by Purdy.

If you have a top 3 coach in the league he clearly signed off on it.
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« Reply #764 on: December 04, 2023, 04:30:02 PM »
I can’t for the life of me imagine John Lynch is just telling Shanahan “how it’s gonna be.”
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