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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #735 on: December 04, 2023, 03:56:50 PM »
[You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago?  How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”?]

Am I interpreting this incorrectly? We’re automatically better next year with a rookie?
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« Reply #736 on: December 04, 2023, 03:57:18 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:30:35 PM
So to reiterate. Fields’ value in a trade doesn’t mean shit to me (unless it’s perhaps way higher than I’ve heard). A second or third day pick is not going to motivate me to move on from Fields. Unless that pick is near 1st round value.

They could trade Fields and end up drafting another Velus Jones with that pick. That’s more likely than a highly impactful player.

I assume no NFL GM is stupid enough to give up a first round pick for a guy who hasn’t shown anything even hinting that he might be worth that - but you never know.

If the Bears gave up a first for a guy with Fields’ career so far I would be furious.
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« Reply #737 on: December 04, 2023, 03:59:48 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 03:50:47 PM


If you were right last year and last off-season about the improvement from Fields and the Bears we wouldn’t be having this discussion - but we are, and you’re wanting to push that conversation to next year again.  It’s frustrating.

So you don’t actually acknowledge how injuries have impacted trying to incorporate 30 new players…
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« Reply #738 on: December 04, 2023, 04:00:20 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:56:50 PM
[You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago?  How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”?]

Am I interpreting this incorrectly? We’re automatically better next year with a rookie?

Nope, not at all - but obviously that isn’t a surprise.

I’m asking what you do when you keep Fields and in December 2024 we are having the same discussion about whether he’s good enough that we were having in early December 2022 and again in early December 2023.

There’s no way you would pay him $100m unless he has a monster year next year right?
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« Reply #739 on: December 04, 2023, 04:01:57 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
So you don’t actually acknowledge how injuries have impacted trying to incorporate 30 new players…

So Getsy sucks because his linemen are always hurt, he has to incorporate new players, AND his QB1 sucks ass?
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« Reply #740 on: December 04, 2023, 04:02:14 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 03:53:11 PM
If that were true I struggle to see how you’d be so bullish on Fields.  That doesn’t really add up to me.

Ok (shrug). But it does add up to some people, and not all of them are clueless Bears fans posting on Twitter and the HQ, as I have shown.
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« Reply #741 on: December 04, 2023, 04:02:57 PM »
It’s dumb to be bullish on Fields, yet someone will give you a nice pick(s) for him. Make that make sense.
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« Reply #742 on: December 04, 2023, 04:03:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:02:14 PM
Ok (shrug). But it does add up to some people, and not all of them are clueless Bears fans posting on Twitter and the HQ, as I have shown.

Hilarious. Fucking clueless and delusional on top of being a liar.
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« Reply #743 on: December 04, 2023, 04:04:18 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:59:48 PM
So you don’t actually acknowledge how injuries have impacted trying to incorporate 30 new players…

If you totally ignore all the times I acknowledged that, then no- I don’t.

You’ve made it clear you’re happy to ignore the things I actually say as long as you can make up some unreasonable shit and pretend I said it.  As I said earlier, it’s a big reason I stopped coming around here.  Not the only reason, but a big one.
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« Reply #744 on: December 04, 2023, 04:05:30 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:02:57 PM
It’s dumb to be bullish on Fields, yet someone will give you a nice pick(s) for him. Make that make sense.

Huh?  You were just saying how you wouldn’t move him for less than a first (or close).  Nobody’s gonna give the Bears that I assume.

He might get a late 2nd or 3rd round pick from a QB starved team to give him a show me year.
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« Reply #745 on: December 04, 2023, 04:07:04 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:00:20 PM
Nope, not at all - but obviously that isn’t a surprise.

I’m asking what you do when you keep Fields and in December 2024 we are having the same discussion about whether he’s good enough that we were having in early December 2022 and again in early December 2023.

There’s no way you would pay him $100m unless he has a monster year next year right?

You dump him just as you took your loss on Chase Claypool and move on.
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« Reply #746 on: December 04, 2023, 04:09:10 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:05:30 PM
Huh?  You were just saying how you wouldn’t move him for less than a first (or close).  Nobody’s gonna give the Bears that I assume.

He might get a late 2nd or 3rd round pick from a QB starved team to give him a show me year.

We are a starved QB team. And drafting Williams or Maye doesn’t solve that for sure.
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« Reply #747 on: December 04, 2023, 04:09:53 PM »
Here’s one thing that sucks - I like Justin Fields.  I wish he had been good enough at QB thusfar.  He just hasn’t been.  Like if they held onto him and he was consistently a top 8 or 10 QB for all of next season I’d say sure, sign me up - he just has never shown the ability to do that.  And I’m not willing to use your laundry list to excuse that poor play because he isn’t in a perfect situation.  Every team drops balls.  Every team has key injuries.  The good QBs find ways to keep playing well.  He has not done that so far.

You’re arguing based on what you WANT to be true - that at worst we’re getting a borderline HOF talent like Donovan McNabb.  I’m arguing based on what has actually been true of Fields so far - that he has never had a consistent stretch of good play especially throwing the ball, that he has been terrible in clutch situations consistently, that he has improved (a low bar because he was horrible) but not nearly enough for me to pay him $100m.
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« Reply #748 on: December 04, 2023, 04:10:54 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 04:04:18 PM
If you totally ignore all the times I acknowledged that, then no- I don’t.

You’ve made it clear you’re happy to ignore the things I actually say as long as you can make up some unreasonable shit and pretend I said it.  As I said earlier, it’s a big reason I stopped coming around here.  Not the only reason, but a big one.

You don’t seem to acknowledge that. I’ve heard you use the work “excuses” a lot.

Do you not find it interesting the Bears are playing much better the last 8 games now that they’re healthier and had some continuity?
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« Reply #749 on: December 04, 2023, 04:10:59 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 04:09:10 PM
We are a starved QB team. And drafting Williams or Maye doesn’t solve that for sure.

We are a QB starved team, so better throw the same guy out there for the fourth straight year?

Make it make sense.

To the degree that we are a QB starved team it is because our QB play hasn’t been very good.
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