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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #720 on: December 04, 2023, 03:26:23 PM »
FTR, I can’t ever remember saying “this is definitely what I would do.” I wouldn't do that. But if my #1 goal were getting the QB position RIGHT (and it probably should be), it’s certainly a plausible avenue.
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« Reply #721 on: December 04, 2023, 03:30:35 PM »
So to reiterate. Fields’ value in a trade doesn’t mean shit to me (unless it’s perhaps way higher than I’ve heard). A second or third day pick is not going to motivate me to move on from Fields. Unless that pick is near 1st round value.

They could trade Fields and end up drafting another Velus Jones with that pick. That’s more likely than a highly impactful player.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #722 on: December 04, 2023, 03:33:25 PM »
I value getting it right more than Fields’ trade value.
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« Reply #723 on: December 04, 2023, 03:33:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:30:35 PM
They could trade Fields and end up drafting another Velus Jones with that pick. That’s more likely than a highly impactful player.

Which is why you get rid of the GM.
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« Reply #724 on: December 04, 2023, 03:34:15 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:33:25 PM
I value getting it right more than Fields’ trade value.

No, you value protecting Fields.
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« Reply #725 on: December 04, 2023, 03:45:18 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 04, 2023, 03:33:51 PM
Which is why you get rid of the GM.

There you go! Very on brand! Probably not gonna happen. So put your cup on.
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« Reply #726 on: December 04, 2023, 03:45:52 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 04, 2023, 03:34:15 PM
No, you value protecting Fields.

I value getting the QB position RIGHT. Particularly if I’m still not 100% confident in Fields (if I’m Poles).
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« Reply #727 on: December 04, 2023, 03:46:31 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:45:52 PM
I value getting the QB position RIGHT.

As we have seen, that is another lie of yours. You value being "right" on Fields. Not getting the Bear QB position "right."
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« Reply #728 on: December 04, 2023, 03:47:40 PM »
The GM has a couple of mistakes on his résumé, FIRE him!
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« Reply #729 on: December 04, 2023, 03:50:47 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:04:08 PM
And it’s pretty crazy how you refuse to acknowledge things such as injuries happen. I just showed you that perhaps your top 3 offensive linemen have missed an average of 50% of snaps. Not to mention earlier run the year when the defense was playing 3rd stringers. Particularly in the secondary. Coaching can play a role, plus or negative. Of course Fields can help or hurt himself by his play. Rookies can perhaps not help as much as projected (Tyler Scott?).

And there’s the possibility that maybe, just maybe…my analysis was less than perfect.

And maybe underestimated the difficulty in assimilating 30+ new faces. And injuries haven’t helped that.

I have acknowledged they’ve had some injuries.  Of course, every team has had injuries - using them the way you are is simply excuse making.  Injuries don’t excuse Fields’ or the Bears’ poor play overall.

We’re likely to have some key injuries next year too.  What I’m saying is that it would be a complete disaster to keep doing this.  This will be the second straight year where you have been preaching “next year”.  At some point it has to be this year.

You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago?  How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”?  As a reminder next year we’re likely to have another new OC and potentially head coach.  Surely you see what a nightmare that has the potential to be.

If you were right last year and last off-season about the improvement from Fields and the Bears we wouldn’t be having this discussion - but we are, and you’re wanting to push that conversation to next year again.  It’s frustrating.
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« Reply #730 on: December 04, 2023, 03:51:42 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on December 04, 2023, 03:46:31 PM
As we have seen, that is another lie of yours. You value being "right" on Fields. Not getting the Bear QB position "right."

Well, yeah. Since he is IN THE BUILDING and still shows a potentially very high ceiling, yeah I value getting it right on him. Since he’s who we’ve got. I don’t value getting it right on anyone currently employed by another team. Because that would be pointless.
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« Reply #731 on: December 04, 2023, 03:53:11 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:45:52 PM
I value getting the QB position RIGHT. Particularly if I’m still not 100% confident in Fields (if I’m Poles).

If that were true I struggle to see how you’d be so bullish on Fields.  That doesn’t really add up to me. Fields has been average and will be expensive - barring some incredible unforeseen turnaround, how are we going to justify paying him a hundred million dollars?  Is that “getting the QB right”?  Spending 9 figures on a dude who, at best, has had one really good season (assuming he does that next year, ignoring that you were bullish he was going to do that THIS year)?

Did the New York Giants get the QB position right?  They paid their guy on the back of one pretty good season and within a few games it was clear that it would likely set them back quite a bit.
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« Reply #732 on: December 04, 2023, 03:54:22 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
I have acknowledged they’ve had some injuries.  Of course, every team has had injuries - using them the way you are is simply excuse making.  Injuries don’t excuse Fields’ or the Bears’ poor play overall.

We’re likely to have some key injuries next year too.  What I’m saying is that it would be a complete disaster to keep doing this.  This will be the second straight year where you have been preaching “next year”.  At some point it has to be this year.

You haven’t really addressed this yet - what happens when this exact same conversation is happening a year from now, like it was a year ago?  How many times do we get to say “well NEXT year is the year we finally put it together”?  As a reminder next year we’re likely to have another new OC and potentially head coach.  Surely you see what a nightmare that has the potential to be.

If you were right last year and last off-season about the improvement from Fields and the Bears we wouldn’t be having this discussion - but we are, and you’re wanting to push that conversation to next year again.  It’s frustrating.

Of course “every team has injuries,” but even that’s a flawed argument. Because not every team loses identical players for identical lengths of time. The Niners having injuries isn’t the same as the rebuilding Bears having injuries. As far as I know, the Niners aren’t trying to assimilate 30 new players in one off season.
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« Reply #733 on: December 04, 2023, 03:55:07 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 03:47:40 PM
The GM has a couple of mistakes on his résumé, FIRE him!

1. Hiring Eberlose
2. Velus Jones
3. Passing on Carter
4. Passing on Stroud (I would not have picked him, but I am not a GM and it has to count as a mistake right now)
5. Trading a high 2 for Claypool
6. Trading another high 2 for Sweat in another lost season when you could have signed him in FA
7. Whatever Nate Davis is doing
8. Whatever Dan Feeney is doing
9. Not fixing either line in offseason FA
10. Sucking so badly that there is no sight of a new Bears stadium on the horizon
11. 2 coaches let go under mysterious circumstances

What else? Letting Montgomery go count?
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« Reply #734 on: December 04, 2023, 03:56:01 PM »
So you are saying Caleb Williams or Drake Maye (you better get it right) INSTANTLY makes the Bears better? Because that’s what it sounds like you said in the previous post.
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