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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #645 on: December 04, 2023, 09:58:50 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 09:55:34 AM
I swear to God you have morphed into the PAMan. It is really tough to be consistently competent when almost no one else around you is. He’s had one plus receiver and a couple decent RBs. He’s had an injured offensive line that is still young and fairly inexperienced. The starting unit has probably played together 3-4 times max. The Bears have failed Justin Fields at almost every turn. And yet is still out there working hard and improving (whether YOU see it or not).

Yes we know it isn’t his fault.  Very rarely is something his fault, ever.  He didn’t MAKE Brian Carlwell crash into the tree.

I agree, he’s working hard.  Have never questioned his work ethic or leadership.  I want the Bears to move on because he hasnt produced consistently enough, not because he doesn’t work hard.
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« Reply #646 on: December 04, 2023, 10:00:06 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 09:56:23 AM
I guess you’re going to have to explain it to me.

You think you know more about QB play than Troy Aikman?

He said Mitch Trubisky was becoming a franchise QB - hell, look at that short stretch where he turned it around! - who are we to argue?
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« Reply #647 on: December 04, 2023, 10:02:05 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 09:58:50 AM
Yes we know it isn’t his fault.  Very rarely is something his fault, ever.  He didn’t MAKE Brian Carlwell crash into the tree.

I agree, he’s working hard.  Have never questioned his work ethic or leadership.  I want the Bears to move on because he hasnt produced consistently enough, not because he doesn’t work hard.

I have never once tried to absolve Fields from all blame. He needs to be better in multiple areas, And I’ve said that a bunch of times. But keep narrating, PAManJr
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #648 on: December 04, 2023, 10:03:23 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 10:00:06 AM
You think you know more about QB play than Troy Aikman?

He said Mitch Trubisky was becoming a franchise QB - hell, look at that short stretch where he turned it around! - who are we to argue?

So you’re saying you, he, we have “opinions,” and no one is necessarily “right?”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #649 on: December 04, 2023, 10:04:56 AM »
2018 NFL COY (remember that Spark?) is the only guy that can slow down Patrick Mahomes. Fields was lucky to have him as his rookie coach. The Cleveland game was a great introduction to the league. Kudos, Matt Nagy, offensive genius.

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #650 on: December 04, 2023, 10:07:05 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 10:02:05 AM
I have never once tried to absolve Fields from all blame. He needs to be better in multiple areas, And I’ve said that a bunch of times. But keep narrating, PAManJr

I can’t remember a single time when someone said “Fields played poorly” and you said “yep.”

100% of time someone has mentioned a criticism of Fields you reflexively excuse it by criticizing the Playcalling or the OL or the WR or the HC or quite literally anyone else.

Maybe you aren’t intentionally “trying” to absolve him of blame for his play thusfar - but when 100% of criticisms of him are deflected with a criticism of some external factor there’s not really another conclusion to make.

If every time you criticized Getsy I said “well his QB can’t throw and his OL is bad and had some injuries and the WR dropped a pass and and and” you would be absolutely hammering me right now for trying to deflect blame from Getsy.
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« Reply #651 on: December 04, 2023, 10:07:26 AM »
So you once liked Trubisky. Aikman once liked Trubisky. You are a reliable opinion on quarterbacking, but he is not? Am I misunderstanding your point?
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #652 on: December 04, 2023, 10:07:38 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 10:04:56 AM
2018 NFL COY (remember that Spark?) is the only guy that can slow down Patrick Mahomes. Fields was lucky to have him as his rookie coach. The Cleveland game was a great introduction to the league. Kudos, Matt Nagy, offensive genius.



Desperately flailing now.

Can’t believe you think you know more about playing QB than Troy Aikman
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« Reply #653 on: December 04, 2023, 10:09:28 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 10:07:26 AM
So you once liked Trubisky. Aikman once liked Trubisky. You are a reliable opinion on quarterbacking, but he is not? Am I misunderstanding your point?

You tried to use Troy Aikman as some unimpeachable authority on QB play - even accused me of thinking he knew nothing about it when I disagreed with his assessment.

Turns out, he has said exactly the same thing about a guy in a very similar situation and ended up wrong.  So maybe just hand waving anyone who disagrees with him on the grounds that he knows more about QB play than they do is stupid?

He knows more about QB play than you do too, but he was still wrong when he used a short stretch of improved play to say that about Trubisky.
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« Reply #654 on: December 04, 2023, 10:09:36 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 10:07:05 AM
I can’t remember a single time when someone said “Fields played poorly” and you said “yep.”


I’ve admitted multiple times when Fields has played poorly. But I’ve also probably never seen a game where he was clearly the main problem. He’s had bad games. So, there.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #655 on: December 04, 2023, 10:10:42 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 10:03:23 AM
So you’re saying you, he, we have “opinions,” and no one is necessarily “right?”

That certainly wasn’t what you said originally when you brought him up.  You were trying to dunk on me because a great former QB said he’d keep Fields.
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« Reply #656 on: December 04, 2023, 10:10:54 AM »
I never said he was “unimpeachable,” I’m just saying credible voices out there differ from you. You aren’t the ultimate authority on quarterback play.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #657 on: December 04, 2023, 10:12:02 AM »
And neither is he, and neither am I. It’s entirely plausible Fields never gets much better. And is just a middling QB.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #658 on: December 04, 2023, 10:13:06 AM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 04, 2023, 10:10:42 AM
That certainly wasn’t what you said originally when you brought him up.  You were trying to dunk on me because a great former QB said he’d keep Fields.

No, I was trying to dunk on you because you apparently think only your opinion is valid. No shortage of credible voices disagree.
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« Reply #659 on: December 04, 2023, 10:16:36 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 04, 2023, 10:10:54 AM
I never said he was “unimpeachable,” I’m just saying credible voices out there differ from you. You aren’t the ultimate authority on quarterback play.

Nor have I ever claimed to be.  But you posted that Aikman quote to make it seem like he was, when in fact he has been wrong in an extremely similar situation very recently.

I’m stating my opinion, and supporting that opinion with evidence.  I think the evidence I have provided regarding his actual production is more compelling than the evidence and deflections you’ve brought to the conversation, obviously.

Just like the Weber stuff, at some point the accountability for HIS production needs to be on HIM, whether he can make a jump shot for Chester Frazier or not.  I have seen enough of Fields to think he is at the point where he needs to be held accountable, even if Getsy isn’t good and the roster isn’t perfect around him.
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