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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #555 on: December 03, 2023, 05:07:06 PM »
Most people have said the Detroit game was one of his best all around games. I know saying “take away the fumbles” is a big what if, but outside of that he was pretty good in a tough matchup on the road against a team that blitzes 30% more than league average. Lucas Patrick and Darnell Wright were atrocious. He led a game winning drive which is something everyone has been demanding they see. True, he wasn’t perfect. I don’t know what it was off the top of my head, but I’d bet his passer rating was ok.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #556 on: December 03, 2023, 05:13:15 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 04:52:53 PM
Tempo, humor me on this for a few minutes.  I want you to do a blind resume situation - you can guess who/what seasons these might be, but don't look them up.  All of these guys have been drafted since 2017.  A couple I assume you will recognize. 

There's no right or wrong answers here, but rank these seasons from best to worst - I will acknowledge that one of them (only one though) is intentionally kind of a trick:



1. 67.2% completion, 3.2% TD rate, 1.1% INT rate, 200.3 YPG.  92.5 passer rating, 62.9 QBR, 8.5% sack percentage.  44.3 rushing yards per game, .437 rushing TD per game.

2. 62.8% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 1.6% INT rate, 222.7 YPG.  95.9 passer rating, 65.5 QBR, 5.1% sack percentage.  10.3 rushing yards per game, .0625 rushing TD per game.

3. 67.3% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 2.4% INT rate, 256.8 YPG.  98.0 passer rating, 70.5 QBR, 8.2% sack percentage.  27.5 rushing yards per game, .466 rushing TD per game.

4. 60.4% completion, 5.3% TD rate, 3.5% INT rate, 149.5 YPG.  85.2 passer rating, 56.3 QBR, 14.7% sack percentage.  76.2 rushing yards per game, .533 rushing TD per game.

5. 64.4% completion, 4.2% TD rate, 3.4% INT rate, 240.2 YPG.  87.0 passer rating, 50.7 QBR, 9.0% sack percentage.  63.9 rushing yards per game, .166 rushing TD per game.

6. 67% completion, 5.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, 205.5 YPG.  93.5 passer rating, 53.8 QBR, 5.7% sack percentage.  19.5 rushing yards per game, .1 rushing TD per game.

7. 64.4% completion, 5.4% TD rate, 2.7% INT rate, 198.4 YPG.  92.3 passer rating, 44.7 QBR, 11.6% sack percentage.  50 rushing yards per game, .125 rushing TD per game.

8. 72.7% completion, 3.5% TD rate, 1.8% INT rate, 208.5 YPG.  96.9 passer rating, 51.1 QBR, 10.4% sack percentage.  52.25 rushing yards per game, 1 rushing TD per game.

9. 67.6% completion, 4.2% TD rate, 2.5% INT rate, 223.6 YPG.  92.5 passer rating, 50.9 QBR, 5.1% sack percentage.  7.6 rushing yards per game, 0 rushing TD.

I don’t know, man that’s just too much info to process is that format. I guess 3 would be best? 1 and 8 follow that, if I’m even remembering correctly?
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« Reply #557 on: December 03, 2023, 05:15:01 PM »
6 pretty good. I don’t like to use data as the be all end all, especially when evaluating young quarterbacks. I’m sure Bryce Young would look pretty bad by stats. Does that mean he’ll suck year 5? Not at all.
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« Reply #558 on: December 03, 2023, 05:15:04 PM »
You usually don't get to fumble away two chances at a game winning drive and get a third try though, man.  That isn't at all sustainable.  And he's been CONSISTENTLY bad in those situations - I'm sure you've seen those stats, they're frankly kind of unbelievable how bad they are.

He was not very good last week.  As a 'game winning drive', that is not something I'm ready to hang my hat on - he played a bad game, tried to fumble away twice in the last 5 minutes, and then found one of the best WRs in the league wide open in the last minute.  He wasn't good.

The Lions game he was fine, he played well enough to deserve a win.  But it wasn't anything particularly special either.  The defense got him four turnovers and he turned them into 10 points.  I don't expect him obviously to drive 75 yards in 30 seconds obviously, but they had two timeouts and he fumbled back through the end zone for a safety on the first play - that can't happen either, and that sort of thing happens too often.  At least give us a fighting shot; far too often he does the opposite in clutch situations.
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« Reply #559 on: December 03, 2023, 05:16:21 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 05:15:04 PM
You usually don't get to fumble away two chances at a game winning drive and get a third try though, man.  That isn't at all sustainable.  And he's been CONSISTENTLY bad in those situations - I'm sure you've seen those stats, they're frankly kind of unbelievable how bad they are.

He was not very good last week.  As a 'game winning drive', that is not something I'm ready to hang my hat on - he played a bad game, tried to fumble away twice in the last 5 minutes, and then found one of the best WRs in the league wide open in the last minute.  He wasn't good.

The Lions game he was fine, he played well enough to deserve a win.  But it wasn't anything particularly special either.  The defense got him four turnovers and he turned them into 10 points.  I don't expect him obviously to drive 75 yards in 30 seconds obviously, but they had two timeouts and he fumbled back through the end zone for a safety on the first play - that can't happen either, and that sort of thing happens too often.  At least give us a fighting shot; far too often he does the opposite in clutch situations.

True, but it happened. And he lead a game winning drive when they had to have it. I’m not looking for perfection. I’m looking for growth and ceiling.
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« Reply #560 on: December 03, 2023, 05:18:36 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 05:13:15 PM
I don’t know, man that’s just too much info to process is that format. I guess 3 would be best? 1 and 8 follow that, if I’m even remembering correctly?

Sorry.

3 is 2019 DeShaun Watson.  Pretty darn good year, I agree.

1 is 2022 Daniel Jones, the year that got them to sign him to that huge contract that everyone pretty uniformly already agrees is a nightmare.

8 is the trick - 8 is Taysom Hill in 2020 when he had to sub in for 4 games for Brees.  I was pretty surprised at how solid his passing numbers were.

The list is:

1. Daniel Jones 2022
2. Baker Mayfield 2020
3. DeShaun Watson 2019
4. Justin Fields 2022
5. Lamar Jackson 2021 (his worst year by passer rating)
6. Mitchell Trubisky 2020, the year the Bears decided not to re-sign him
7. Justin Fields so far in 2023
8. Taysom Hill 2020, only started 4 games (everyone else on the list started a reasonable number of games)
9. Mac Jones 2021, his rookie year.
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« Reply #561 on: December 03, 2023, 05:18:41 PM »
True, he was consistently bad when EQ dropped a perfectly thrown ball on 4th down. And when Marsette fumbled trying to stay in bounds. And when Santos missed that EP which resulted in a one point loss at Detroit. Wash rinse repeat.

The Bears pass pro is also notoriously poor in obvious throwing situations.
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« Reply #562 on: December 03, 2023, 05:19:29 PM »
He was consistently bad when the defense gave up a quick FG to lose at Pittsburgh and the Bears scored late.
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« Reply #563 on: December 03, 2023, 05:20:56 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 05:18:36 PM
Sorry.

3 is 2019 DeShaun Watson.  Pretty darn good year, I agree.

1 is 2022 Daniel Jones, the year that got them to sign him to that huge contract that everyone pretty uniformly already agrees is a nightmare.

8 is the trick - 8 is Taysom Hill in 2020 when he had to sub in for 4 games for Brees.  I was pretty surprised at how solid his passing numbers were.

The list is:

1. Daniel Jones 2022
2. Baker Mayfield 2020
3. DeShaun Watson 2019
4. Justin Fields 2022
5. Lamar Jackson 2021 (his worst year by passer rating)
6. Mitchell Trubisky 2020, the year the Bears decided not to re-sign him
7. Justin Fields so far in 2023
8. Taysom Hill 2020, only started 4 games (everyone else on the list started a reasonable number of games)
9. Mac Jones 2021, his rookie year.

I do appreciate the effort. It was just a lot of info to process in this format.
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« Reply #564 on: December 03, 2023, 05:21:44 PM »
And don’t hold me to my rankings. I was just processing what I could and going off memory.
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« Reply #565 on: December 03, 2023, 05:21:58 PM »
But 3 was probably best.
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« Reply #566 on: December 03, 2023, 05:26:49 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 05:16:21 PM
True, but it happened. And he lead a game winning drive when they had to have it. I’m not looking for perfection. I’m looking for growth and ceiling.

Yes, it happened once.  How many chances has he had?  At least like, 8-10 so far in 34 starts right?  Not sure how many exactly but it seems like he's had a lot, and far more often than not has turned the ball over.  And even this time he needed three chances because he personally fumbled the first two away.

I would have to be damn near empty of substantive data supporting my opinion to try to point at that, if I were you.  This is an example of why we need to move on, not why we should keep him.  He was bad all game and fumbled the ball away on two consecutive possessions in the final 10 minutes - the first one was the only reason he needed to have a game winning drive in the first place.  He was the beneficiary of four turnovers from the defense, two of which were inside the opponent's 40, and scored 3 points off them.
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« Reply #567 on: December 03, 2023, 05:31:51 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 05:20:56 PM
I do appreciate the effort. It was just a lot of info to process in this format.

I think the point of the list was to point out how, removing the names from it, Fields' best stretch so far has been pretty comparable to seasons by a bunch of QBs who mostly I would not be excited to give $100,000,000 to.  His best year as a passer so far is shockingly similar to - probably a little worse than - the year that ended with the Bears letting Trubisky walk.  Fields obviously far more likely to get yards rushing, but also twice as likely to get sacked.
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« Reply #568 on: December 03, 2023, 05:35:08 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 05:26:49 PM
Yes, it happened once.  How many chances has he had?  At least like, 8-10 so far in 34 starts right?  Not sure how many exactly but it seems like he's had a lot, and far more often than not has turned the ball over.  And even this time he needed three chances because he personally fumbled the first two away.

I would have to be damn near empty of substantive data supporting my opinion to try to point at that, if I were you.  This is an example of why we need to move on, not why we should keep him.  He was bad all game and fumbled the ball away on two consecutive possessions in the final 10 minutes - the first one was the only reason he needed to have a game winning drive in the first place.  He was the beneficiary of four turnovers from the defense, two of which were inside the opponent's 40, and scored 3 points off them.

Again, he’s had some unfortunate “help” in many of those 4th quarter outcomes.
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« Reply #569 on: December 03, 2023, 05:35:45 PM »
Our line is still pretty shaky at best on obvious passing downs.
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