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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #525 on: December 03, 2023, 02:39:08 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 02:37:10 PM
Possible

Better bring it up and beat it into the ground any time anyone talks about drafting him then!  Hell, he has possible issues!

Justin Fields has plenty of real, verified issues re: being a franchise QB of course - on the field stuff, not what car he drives or whether he shook his opponent's hand - but all of those are either totally ignored or handwaved while you rant about Caleb Williams' red flag "possible" maturity issues.

And the bigger issue here really isn't Caleb Williams.  It's that Justin Fields has not been good enough.
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« Reply #526 on: December 03, 2023, 02:45:35 PM »
Do you think Tom Brady ever said "Fuck <NFL team>"?  Aaron Rodgers?  Peyton Manning?  Is that a big character/maturity red flag from those guys?  I bet you can find videos of all of these guys in their late 30s even still saying "fuck you" to their opponents.

Was it a massive character red flag when Marshawn Lynch refused to speak candidly to the media or when Cam Newton walked off the stage in his postgame presser because he didn't like a question?

If those things were big character concerns, they should be big concerns no matter who does them - but they aren't, only when it's Caleb Williams.

I didn't even realize at the start of this, either, that one of the two times he didn't speak to the media it was the entire team not just him.

It'd be super Bearsy to pass on one of the few chances they'll ever have to take a top QB prospect at the top of the draft because he skipped one media session, or because he bought a nice car with his NIL money.  If they do that, they deserve the consequences.
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« Reply #527 on: December 03, 2023, 02:47:38 PM »
If Caleb Williams is in the 12th year of his first-ballot HOF career I won’t bring it up.
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Re: THE JFC Thread!
« Reply #528 on: December 03, 2023, 02:48:10 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 02:47:38 PM
If Caleb Williams is in the 12th year of his first-ballot HOF career I won’t bring it up.

So it's not a huge maturity/red flag for your franchise QB if he's a good QB, huh?

Who'da thunk it.

If only there was someone here saying exactly that, that that stuff doesn't matter at all if he's a great QB - you definitely wouldn't argue with that guy!
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« Reply #529 on: December 03, 2023, 02:51:42 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 02:48:10 PM
So it's not a huge maturity/red flag for your franchise QB if he's a good QB, huh?


I don’t love it, but if they have their tickets stamped for the HOF, yeah, doesn’t matter as much.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #530 on: December 03, 2023, 02:54:15 PM »
The Bears fairly recently took the first QB taken off the board (not quite at 1, but close), and we all know how that went.
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« Reply #531 on: December 03, 2023, 02:57:31 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 02:45:35 PM

It'd be super Bearsy to pass on one of the few chances they'll ever have to take a top QB prospect at the top of the draft because he skipped one media session, or because he bought a nice car with his NIL money.  If they do that, they deserve the consequences.

My previous comment was directed at the “super Bearsy” comment.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #532 on: December 03, 2023, 02:59:01 PM »
I don’t guess anyone one of those reasons would be a “deciding factor.” It’s all “part of the painting.”
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #533 on: December 03, 2023, 03:06:32 PM »
You know what would be “super Bearsy?” Trading two 1sts and a huge portion of your cap space on a player  when you don’t know what you have at QB and HC.
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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #534 on: December 03, 2023, 03:45:06 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 02:57:31 PM
My previous comment was directed at the “super Bearsy” comment.

There were plenty of reasons to pass on Trubisky.

Shit like what car he drove just weren't among them.
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« Reply #535 on: December 03, 2023, 03:46:12 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 03:06:32 PM
You know what would be “super Bearsy?” Trading two 1sts and a huge portion of your cap space on a player  when you don’t know what you have at QB and HC.

LOL, aren't you advocating right now to spend a high-first on a premium position where you aren't even going to play the guy (and are likely going to trade him for less than you'd get for the pick) in an ideal world?

The Khalil Mack/Trubisky era Bears were sure a hell of a lot better and more fun to watch than the Justin Fields era Bears have been this year - surely you at least can acknowledge that.
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« Reply #536 on: December 03, 2023, 03:55:18 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 03:45:06 PM
There were plenty of reasons to pass on Trubisky.

Shit like what car he drove just weren't among them.

According to Pace what kind of car he drove was a REASON to draft him! CAMRY FOR THE WIN!






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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.
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« Reply #537 on: December 03, 2023, 03:56:57 PM »
Quote from: spark mandrill on December 03, 2023, 03:46:12 PM
LOL, aren't you advocating right now to spend a high-first on a premium position where you aren't even going to play the guy (and are likely going to trade him for less than you'd get for the pick) in an ideal world?

The Khalil Mack/Trubisky era Bears were sure a hell of a lot better and more fun to watch than the Justin Fields era Bears have been this year - surely you at least can acknowledge that.

I’m saying it would be prudent. What id really do is try to trade down one or two spots and try to get MHJr
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« Reply #538 on: December 03, 2023, 03:57:58 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 02:54:15 PM
The Bears fairly recently took the first QB taken off the board (not quite at 1, but close), and we all know how that went.

We got a guy who in his four years here had an 87.2 passer rating in 50 starts.  Not good enough, so we moved on (correctly, IMO).  His QBRs (which I believe takes things like rushing, sacks, penalties, fumbles into account) were:

32.4
71.0
41.5
53.8

The guy we moved on to has an 83.1 passer rating through 33 starts.  His QBRs have been:

26.4
56.3
44.7

This is a guy you are arguing vehemently we shouldn't move on from.  His production has been very similar to Trubisky's thus far.  Personally I think DJ Moore is far and away the best WR either of them have played with, but Allen Robinson was a pretty good player too.

It's not like Fields has been notably better here than Trubisky was, right?
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« Reply #539 on: December 03, 2023, 04:00:05 PM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on December 03, 2023, 03:56:57 PM
I’m saying it would be prudent. What id really do is try to trade down one or two spots and try to get MHJr

It's seriously putting them in about the worst spot I can imagine regarding the quarterback situation.  It's hilarious to me you think there'd be anything smart or forward-thinking about keeping a young QB in a make-or-break year where you'll have to pay him 9 figures to keep him, and ALSO spending the top pick on a QB.  Think about it for one second and you should be able to see how terrible an idea that is.

If they pick a QB, they need to move on from Fields.  If you run it back with Fields, you need to commit to trading that pick back and looking at a haul like MHJ and one of the top tackles.
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