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« Reply #330 on: December 02, 2023, 09:34:46 AM »
Uh, you know he is on national ads for Dr. Pepper and those Heisman House ads, right? The Cult Must Protect Fields!

Yes, I said I know he has the money. I wonder if his priorities are in order. It’s not the only red flag.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #331 on: December 02, 2023, 09:37:37 AM »
Fields quietly slipped from top 18 to top 20 overnight in the Tempo NFL QB rankings.
Did Bagent and DeVito move up into the 18th and 19th spots ? 🤷‍♂️

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"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #332 on: December 02, 2023, 09:38:18 AM »
A. Yes it does. We saw it with OSU QBs since Tomczak until this year in Houston. Fields still refuses to throw guys open or throw to guys who are NFL Open.

B. He fucking whined about being taught NFL concepts. "They are throwing too much at me! Wah wah wah!" He is a fucking baby. He didn't do shit over the summer that actually made him better this year. He is the same guy from the end of last year. Who you crappin'? You are delusional.

C. You said this same shit last year. If you say it every year you will undoubtedly get it right and then claim you were Ahead of the Curve.

You seriously aren’t even worth engaging in this debate.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #333 on: December 02, 2023, 09:40:18 AM »
Still hiding behind innuendo and practicing the art of ommision.

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« Reply #334 on: December 02, 2023, 11:12:51 AM »
You seriously aren’t even worth engaging in this debate.



You seriously can't handle people who disagree with you and call you out on it.
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« Reply #335 on: December 02, 2023, 11:13:36 AM »
Yes, I said I know he has the money. I wonder if his priorities are in order. It’s not the only red flag.

Must protect the Cult leader.
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« Reply #336 on: December 02, 2023, 11:18:50 AM »
At least Spark is interested in intelligent back and forth.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #337 on: December 02, 2023, 11:20:33 AM »
Intelligent and sincere.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #338 on: December 02, 2023, 11:21:43 AM »
There is also an anti-Fields cult that is so dug in on their narratives that they can’t be reasoned with or engaged sincerely.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #339 on: December 02, 2023, 11:46:43 AM »
Only those lacking objectivity would say he’s shown no improvement. That’s a troll’s take. I have conceded numerous times that Fields has flaws, and perhaps they will be fatal.  But I think he will get better in his deficiencies, and he has special play-making ability that makes less than perfect play tolerable. We are not talking about a Chad Pennington, who has to execute everything perfectly almost every time in order to be effective.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #340 on: December 02, 2023, 12:52:24 PM »
I don’t know that I’d call it “impressed” as much as “encouraged.” Here’s what I know (and think): talent wise, he’s special. Few QBs have his talent. While I know he’s still erratic as a passer, I saw him pass for 8 TDs in two games. I’ve been watching the Bears since the late 70s. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Bears QB do that. Granted, it was two games, but we’ve seen flashes of what he can do in the passing game. I’d argue even extended flashes. He was the most accurate passer in the PFF era in college, so you know it’s there. That doesn’t happen just by playing for tOSU.

He is probably one of the 5 most talented running QBs we’ve ever seen. He would have smashed the yardage record last year had they been going for it, and he didn’t even start running till like week 5.

As of right now he is a top 20 quarterback in the NFL (granted definitely not elite), but he also has a clear path to being a top 10 quarterback. When I went over each team, I don’t remember a single quarterback in the 10-20 range anywhere near the chance to improve like him. Maybe Lawrence if he’s in that 10-12 range.

His “intangibles” are about as good as you could ask for. Leadership - check. Work ethic - check. Character - check. Toughness - check. Anyone who has ever worked with this kid raves about him. Trent Dilfer ran a QB camp for something like 10 years and he said pretty much anyone who was anybody came through his camp. He said Fields was his 2nd favorite player ever. Tua was #1.

Not everyone matures at the same rate. The Bears have done just about everything they can to fuck this kid up, yet he keeps working hard and improving.

The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO. The first class of draftees will be full fledged veterans. We are still 2nd in the league in cap space. They have tons of draft capital and could add a lot more if they trade out of the Carolina pick. Hell, if they trade it to the right team they could possibly be looking at the #1 pick three years in a row. That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.

I see no reason whatsoever not to bring Justin back for a 4th year. If he isn’t getting it done you can trade him next year. I have zero problem drafting his potential replacement this year either. I have seen his floor and think it’s pretty high. I think at worst he will be a Donovan McNabb/Daunte Culpepper type quarterback. I think there’s a good chance he’ll be better than they were. Shore up his line and give him a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr or Bowers (or both!), coach him correctly, and watch this kid take off.

Right from your first line, I disagree completely.

He has some talent; he has not shown anything to lead me to believe he's "special".  He's been nothing but "a guy" since the first game he played.  A talented kid, but not some next-level talent, and not someone who's ever shown the ability to harness that consistently and turn it into production.

Yes, he threw for 8 TD in two games.  Trubisky had a stretch where he threw for 9 TD in two games, so not only have you seen a guy do that, it was a guy you ripped constantly when he was here.  It's worth noting that you intentionally misrepresented something I said during that stretch for literally years to rip on me for being encouraged by his play in a small sample size.  Fields also has 4 TD and 5 INT in the other 5 and a half games he's played this season.

You're banking a lot on this notion that he "has a chance to improve" more than other guys, but he simply has not done that.  He is still inconsistent, he still has a lot of the exact same problems he has always had.

As I said earlier;  the absolute worst case scenario for the Bears is that we're having this discussion on December 2nd, 2024.  There just isn't a worse outcome than that, and you're practically begging to put Fields out there next year with another new OC and another new HC - seems pretty likely we are still having this conversation in a year if they run it back with Fields, doesn't it?  I don't even know how to respond to the notion that his "floor" is notably high.  He has been bad.  That's his floor - unacceptably bad QB play.

I disagree with nearly this entire post.  You obviously see the potential for something in Fields that through 35 starts he has not shown at all - to me, if he hasn't shown that through 35 starts, the chances that he shows it through 50 starts is pretty miniscule.

This is a guy whose career has mostly been in the bottom tier of league QBs (even now after his improvement your take is "he's a top-20 QB" out of 30) and you're telling me "at worst" he turns into 6x Pro Bowler and borderline HoF candidate Donovan McNabb - but there's a good chance Fields is even better.  It's insanity.
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« Reply #341 on: December 02, 2023, 01:12:48 PM »
Also, I realize this may be a “me”
thing, and I realize he’s got the money; but a college kid driving a $150k car just feels off to me. I’m not saying I wouldn’t have driven a car like that, but I also wasn’t the most focused or mature 21 year old. By a long-shot. I see red flags with Caleb Williams on and (mostly off) the field.

https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1730105844639936595?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

God damn is this the all time dumbest shit ever in history.  Seriously, this is a next-level terrible take, jesus christ.

It's the kind of take I'd expect to see from the "I don't like college sports because the kids can leverage their name and image now" crowd, but I wouldn't have pegged you for that.

I don't judge an NFL player or NBA player or an entrepreneur for having a nice car, so I'm not going to judge a college player for having a nice car.  He can afford it, and he earned his money.
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« Reply #342 on: December 02, 2023, 01:25:54 PM »
Right from your first line, I disagree completely.

Ok…
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #343 on: December 02, 2023, 01:28:09 PM »
“A guy.” Lol He was voted one of the top 100 players in the NFL LAST YEAR by actual NFL players. Ahead of Trevor Lawrence. Has he been a consistently strong passer? No. “A guy?” That’s absurd.
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #344 on: December 02, 2023, 01:30:57 PM »
He hasn't even been an average QB in his career so far.  I thought it was reasonably generous, to be honest.

I have no idea what games you're watching, but you said at least 4-5 things in that post that boggle my mind.  It's like you're seeing only what you want to see, and completely handwaving and ignoring any data that contradicts your preconception (which, to this point, is the large majority of the data).

Your reasoning for wanting to keep him are all based on what you think or hope MIGHT happen.  The reasoning for moving on is based on what has actually happened so far in his career.