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« Reply #315 on: December 01, 2023, 10:13:38 PM »
Jason Goff proposed an interesting question: who’s had the best year? Flus, Getsy, or Fields?

Either Fields or Eberflus obviously - both started terrible but as the season's gone on have looked slightly better.

This is, again, setting the lowest possible bar though.  All three of these guys have been bad.

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« Reply #316 on: December 01, 2023, 10:13:47 PM »
I finally get it? I think I only knew of Jobu Horsecockington since yesterday. Who is LKDog Horsecockington?

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« Reply #317 on: December 01, 2023, 10:17:11 PM »
Either Fields or Eberflus obviously - both started terrible but as the season's gone on have looked slightly better.

This is, again, setting the lowest possible bar though.  All three of these guys have been bad.

Fairly reasonable, but his larger point was when where and how is accountability dished out?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #318 on: December 01, 2023, 10:19:04 PM »
Fairly reasonable, but his larger point was when where and how is accountability dished out?

Accountability is 'dished out' to different people for different things.

It's like asking, who did better work on Inglorious Basterds - Quentin Tarantino or Christoph Waltz?  Well, they played completely different (but both very important) roles in the production of the movie.

Eberflus is obviously on the hook for the team's record.  To the degree that the team's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that too.

Fields is on the hook for his own play.  To the degree that his play's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that.

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« Reply #319 on: December 01, 2023, 10:22:34 PM »
Accountability is 'dished out' to different people for different things.

It's like asking, who did better work on Inglorious Basterds - Quentin Tarantino or Christoph Waltz?  Well, they played completely different (but both very important) roles in the production of the movie.

Eberflus is obviously on the hook for the team's record.  To the degree that the team's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that too.

Fields is on the hook for his own play.  To the degree that his play's improved over the season thusfar, he's on the hook for that.

OK in your opinion, are flus, Getsy and fields all out of here next year?
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #320 on: December 01, 2023, 10:28:05 PM »
I will say, I think part of the issue here is that you're just far more impressed with Fields' turnaround than I am.

He's looked a little better for parts of the last 4-5 games (again, a low bar), but realistically in terms of what level of play would be "good enough" to justify keeping him, the games like Washington/Denver need to be a lot more common than they are, and the games  like most of the games he's played this year need to be a lot less common.

He needs to put the ball in the endzone.  His legs are a great weapon, but if he's going to play running back you're wasting the most important position on the field - he needs to be able to throw the ball consistently, and he needs to be a LOT better in 2nd/3rd and long situations and end-game situations.  He obviously has some arm talent too, he just has never put everything together - he seems like he struggles processing his reads quickly, still misses easy throws too often for a guy who's started 30 some games in the NFL, etc.
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« Reply #321 on: December 01, 2023, 10:31:14 PM »
OK in your opinion, are flus, Getsy and fields all out of here next year?

I think they should be out of here next year.  Assuming they get a high pick and a shot at one of the top QBs, I think of that group I'd be most likely to keep Eberflus, and least likely to keep Getsy.  But yeah, if it were up to me, none of those three guys has shown me enough to run it back next year.

Whether they will be?  Man, who knows.  The Bears aren't exactly the most well-run franchise.  I think Getsy is a near-given to be fired.  Wouldn't surprise me either way on the other two.

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« Reply #322 on: December 01, 2023, 10:38:05 PM »
I saw something that said the going rate for a QB on a second contract is around $200 million dollars or something. No way in hell you pay Fields some shit like that lol.
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« Reply #323 on: December 01, 2023, 10:42:56 PM »
I also think putting Fields in that "make-or-break" situation AGAIN for ANOTHER whole season, especially with ANOTHER new OC and potentially head coach, is just a disaster waiting to happen.

It would be really bad for the Bears if we were still having this conversation a year from now.

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« Reply #324 on: December 01, 2023, 10:44:45 PM »
I also think putting Fields in that "make-or-break" situation AGAIN for ANOTHER whole season, especially with ANOTHER new OC and potentially head coach, is just a disaster waiting to happen.

It would be really bad for the Bears if we were still having this conversation a year from now.

Especially if they drafted a QB and somehow kept Fields too…
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« Reply #325 on: December 02, 2023, 03:51:06 AM »
I will say, I think part of the issue here is that you're just far more impressed with Fields' turnaround than I am.

He's looked a little better for parts of the last 4-5 games (again, a low bar), but realistically in terms of what level of play would be "good enough" to justify keeping him, the games like Washington/Denver need to be a lot more common than they are, and the games  like most of the games he's played this year need to be a lot less common.

He needs to put the ball in the endzone.  His legs are a great weapon, but if he's going to play running back you're wasting the most important position on the field - he needs to be able to throw the ball consistently, and he needs to be a LOT better in 2nd/3rd and long situations and end-game situations.  He obviously has some arm talent too, he just has never put everything together - he seems like he struggles processing his reads quickly, still misses easy throws too often for a guy who's started 30 some games in the NFL, etc.

I don’t know that I’d call it “impressed” as much as “encouraged.” Here’s what I know (and think): talent wise, he’s special. Few QBs have his talent. While I know he’s still erratic as a passer, I saw him pass for 8 TDs in two games. I’ve been watching the Bears since the late 70s. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Bears QB do that. Granted, it was two games, but we’ve seen flashes of what he can do in the passing game. I’d argue even extended flashes. He was the most accurate passer in the PFF era in college, so you know it’s there. That doesn’t happen just by playing for tOSU.

He is probably one of the 5 most talented running QBs we’ve ever seen. He would have smashed the yardage record last year had they been going for it, and he didn’t even start running till like week 5.

As of right now he is a top 20 quarterback in the NFL (granted definitely not elite), but he also has a clear path to being a top 10 quarterback. When I went over each team, I don’t remember a single quarterback in the 10-20 range anywhere near the chance to improve like him. Maybe Lawrence if he’s in that 10-12 range.

His “intangibles” are about as good as you could ask for. Leadership - check. Work ethic - check. Character - check. Toughness - check. Anyone who has ever worked with this kid raves about him. Trent Dilfer ran a QB camp for something like 10 years and he said pretty much anyone who was anybody came through his camp. He said Fields was his 2nd favorite player ever. Tua was #1.

Not everyone matures at the same rate. The Bears have done just about everything they can to fuck this kid up, yet he keeps working hard and improving.

The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO. The first class of draftees will be full fledged veterans. We are still 2nd in the league in cap space. They have tons of draft capital and could add a lot more if they trade out of the Carolina pick. Hell, if they trade it to the right team they could possibly be looking at the #1 pick three years in a row. That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.

I see no reason whatsoever not to bring Justin back for a 4th year. If he isn’t getting it done you can trade him next year. I have zero problem drafting his potential replacement this year either. I have seen his floor and think it’s pretty high. I think at worst he will be a Donovan McNabb/Daunte Culpepper type quarterback. I think there’s a good chance he’ll be better than they were. Shore up his line and give him a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr or Bowers (or both!), coach him correctly, and watch this kid take off.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2023, 04:05:46 AM by Tempo34 »
"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #326 on: December 02, 2023, 04:12:59 AM »
Also, I realize this may be a “me”
thing, and I realize he’s got the money; but a college kid driving a $150k car just feels off to me. I’m not saying I wouldn’t have driven a car like that, but I also wasn’t the most focused or mature 21 year old. By a long-shot. I see red flags with Caleb Williams on and (mostly off) the field.

https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1730105844639936595?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ


"He commented more than once that, 'You know, Hitler did some good things, too,'" Kelly recalled to The Times. Kelly said he would usually quash the conversation by saying "nothing (Hitler) did, you could argue, was good," but that Trump would occasionally bring up the topic again.

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« Reply #327 on: December 02, 2023, 07:58:17 AM »
Also, I realize this may be a “me”
thing, and I realize he’s got the money; but a college kid driving a $150k car just feels off to me. I’m not saying I wouldn’t have driven a car like that, but I also wasn’t the most focused or mature 21 year old. By a long-shot. I see red flags with Caleb Williams on and (mostly off) the field.

https://x.com/nflrookiewatxh/status/1730105844639936595?s=46&t=taZJ_d5ITWr6Hq3PUZDUiQ

Uh, you know he is on national ads for Dr. Pepper and those Heisman House ads, right? The Cult Must Protect Fields!
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« Reply #328 on: December 02, 2023, 08:07:52 AM »
[A] He was the most accurate passer in the PFF era in college, so you know it’s there. That doesn’t happen just by playing for tOSU.

[B.] His “intangibles” are about as good as you could ask for. Leadership - check. Work ethic - check. Character - check. Toughness - check.


[C] The Bears will be ready to make a big jump next year IMO.....We are still 2nd in the league in cap space....That’s a big if, I know, but they look to be swimming in draft capital the way U of I swims in Asian butthole.

A. Yes it does. We saw it with OSU QBs since Tomczak until this year in Houston. Fields still refuses to throw guys open or throw to guys who are NFL Open.

B. He fucking whined about being taught NFL concepts. "They are throwing too much at me! Wah wah wah!" He is a fucking baby. He didn't do shit over the summer that actually made him better this year. He is the same guy from the end of last year. Who you crappin'? You are delusional.

C. You said this same shit last year. If you say it every year you will undoubtedly get it right and then claim you were Ahead of the Curve.
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« Reply #329 on: December 02, 2023, 08:13:44 AM »
Fields quietly slipped from top 18 to top 20 overnight in the Tempo NFL QB rankings.
Did Bagent and DeVito move up into the 18th and 19th spots ? 🤷‍♂️