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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2023, 07:30:41 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 13, 2023, 11:08:51 PM
Lol

Got it. You don't want to try and set an objective standard for judging Fields' play and then wonder why Mn asked the question he asked.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2023, 08:09:25 AM »
Quote from: Mn on November 14, 2023, 06:06:40 AM
One game, a loss at home, was against a team that limped into Chicago and was not playing well and had given up 70 the week before.
The other was the equivalent of a qb salivating at the thought of throwing against our defense. But were not dead last in pass defense like Washington is.
Or does having one of the worst defenses in the league argument only come into play when discussing the Bears giving up points and how that impacts Fields record ?

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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2023, 08:23:33 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 14, 2023, 08:09:25 AM
JFC
You disagree with something here ?
Lol
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2023, 08:36:17 AM »
Quote from: Mn on November 14, 2023, 08:23:33 AM
You disagree with something here ?
Lol

I realize you’ve self-anointed yourself to be the one to try and poke holes into EVERTHING I say, no matter how factual or trivial. But that same team has made Patrick Mahomes look very average twice already this year (and gave him a loss), and they just turned over Josh Allen three times last night and beat him on his field. If you take anything out of this discussion let it be the knowledge that the NFL is a week to week league. Any team can beat any team. It’s not college football. They are all pros. Justin Fields can only play against the pros who are on his schedule for that week.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2023, 09:00:15 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 14, 2023, 07:30:41 AM
Got it. You don't want to try and set an objective standard for judging Fields' play and then wonder why Mn asked the question he asked.

There are lots of measurements for “good quarterback play.” But one just generally knows it when they see it. He wants me to answer something that is almost impossible to answer satisfactorily.

If Fields is productive, plays mostly clean, and shows improvement on timing passes I’d say that’s “good quarterback play.”
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2023, 09:06:32 AM »
Looks like someone got busy with their alts.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2023, 11:04:21 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 14, 2023, 08:09:25 AM
JFC

Can you please explain how he was wrong instead of throwing out a Justin Fields is Christ reference?
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2023, 11:06:22 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 14, 2023, 08:36:17 AM
I realize you’ve self-anointed yourself to be the one to try and poke holes into EVERTHING I say, no matter how factual or trivial. But that same team has made Patrick Mahomes look very average twice already this year (and gave him a loss), and they just turned over Josh Allen three times last night and beat him on his field. If you take anything out of this discussion let it be the knowledge that the NFL is a week to week league. Any team can beat any team. It’s not college football. They are all pros. Justin Fields can only play against the pros who are on his schedule for that week.

LOL. The answer is no, you can't explain how he was wrong.

Yeah we all know Denver is not the same team that made JFC look competent for 3 quarters and then woke up in the 4th. You aren't even trying at this point.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #98 on: November 14, 2023, 11:07:21 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 14, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
There are lots of measurements for “good quarterback play.” But one just generally knows it when they see it. He wants me to answer something that is almost impossible to answer satisfactorily.

If Fields is productive, plays mostly clean, and shows improvement on timing passes I’d say that’s “good quarterback play.”

So no objective measures, just the Tempo Eye Test. Oy.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #99 on: November 14, 2023, 11:08:19 AM »
Quote from: Tempo34 on November 14, 2023, 09:00:15 AM
There are lots of measurements for “good quarterback play.” But one just generally knows it when they see it. He wants me to answer something that is almost impossible to answer satisfactorily.

If Fields is productive, plays mostly clean, and shows improvement on timing passes I’d say that’s “good quarterback play.”

And you proved why Mn's question was a good one.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #100 on: November 14, 2023, 11:26:39 AM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 14, 2023, 11:07:21 AM
So no objective measures, just the Tempo Eye Test. Oy.

Now it's all about being on time. lol. It's also about throwing to a spot, knowing that your receiver will be there. Fields hasn't proven that he can do that.

Stroud is proving that every week. He looks like a big boy quarterback already. Outlier or not, he's getting it. And it didn't take him 3 years.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2023, 12:14:53 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 14, 2023, 11:04:21 AM
Can you please explain how he was wrong instead of throwing out a Justin Fields is Christ reference?

I explained it. This same exact team made Mahomes look mediocre twice and turned Josh Allen over 3x for the win in Orchard Valley last night. It’s the NFL, but college. Anyone can beat anyone.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #102 on: November 14, 2023, 12:18:26 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on November 14, 2023, 11:26:39 AM
Now it's all about being on time. lol. It's also about throwing to a spot, knowing that your receiver will be there. Fields hasn't proven that he can do that.

Stroud is proving that every week. He looks like a big boy quarterback already. Outlier or not, he's getting it. And it didn't take him 3 years.

“Outlier or not.” Lol A tremendous outlier.

Yes, Justin Fields needs to get better at some things. Look around the league. Quarterback play sucks right now. He’s not been as bad as everyone says he’s been.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #103 on: November 14, 2023, 12:20:50 PM »
Quote from: ThePAMan on November 14, 2023, 11:08:19 AM
And you proved why Mn's question was a good one.

It’s a piece of shit question intended to be a “gotcha.” That’s all he does when he responds to me. Tries to “gotcha” me. He knows there’s no “exact” answer outside of Fields completely balling out every game.
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Re: Predict the Future
« Reply #104 on: November 14, 2023, 12:22:19 PM »
Quote from: Jobu on November 14, 2023, 11:26:39 AM
Now it's all about being on time. lol. It's also about throwing to a spot, knowing that your receiver will be there. Fields hasn't proven that he can do that.

Stroud is proving that every week. He looks like a big boy quarterback already. Outlier or not, he's getting it. And it didn't take him 3 years.

Yes, seeing the most open guy and getting him the ball in a timely fashion. That’s been the primary complaint about Justin since day one.
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